Yeah that is doubtful. Look at any fact-checking they did on Hillary and see how true it actually is

Still, I had to give up my reliance on supposed fact checkers

They write almost an entire article on proving a statement true and then in their summary they say well there's this one little tiny bit that is not 100% accurate so the whole article is false

The only fact checker I trust is myself also

lol, i bought into too many falsehoods that I dont even know

I used to be supportive of leftist policies until I learnt how they do not work.

The blowback effect is humungous.

Oh many leftist policies will work you just have to pay 200% more taxes

Not to mention Bernie's idea of a one payer medical system. I would hate to see our tax level after that went into effect

How does every other western nation manage to pull it off, then?

Being really homogenous?

Their medical system isn't as good as ours because there isn't any need for competition

Culturally especially

I mean, look at most european countries, most countries are mostly homogenous cuturally and ethnically.

So, you're saying ethnostates work? <:hmkGrin:284219474440355840>

In the US its not as easy to implement a one size fits all basically.

Or comparing a US country with heaps of different demographics financially, culturally, and geographically.

To a country thats mostly urbanized under one culture.

Just look up some old Bernie videos before he went communist and he will explain it himself how the one payer medical system would essentially bankrupt America

I'm not quite sure with what homogeneity has to do with anything...?

I mean, dont get me wrong I think its nice to ensure that all of the citizens get healthcare, especially lifesaving or life altering ones like chemo or dentist work.

But the man who lives his life without smoking or drinking will be taxed extra to compensate for the fatass who eats 5 big macs a meal and chugs down Mountain Dew like water.

Why does a welfare system have to exist at all? Why does the government require us to provide charity when it would be more effective to be handled on a one-to-one basis?

That's how health insurance works. The healthy subsidize the sick.

But it does not make it right in their eyes.

At least Health Insurance is an opt in system.

But you cant opt out of taxes.

And that is how you end up paying for everybody being sick is through taxes on a one payer system

i mean, I cant blame anyone for being against giving up more of their income to compensate for another person's mistakes.

We pay for fire service, though.

And police.

through local taxes

Paying for someone else's mistakes when it comes to a fire starting is fine?

not federal

Why does that matter?

a one payer would be another federal tax

You're not having to also then give insurance companies money, though, since your health coverage comes through taxes. It's not like you're paying it through taxes and then also giving medical companies and hospitals boatloads of money.

There's no such thing as being slapped with a medical bill that you have to spend the rest of your life paying off, because you have the audacity to actually get sick or hurt.

I mean he has a point, the US medical system is a farce

And well, we can also lump in alot of unfortunate circumstances, like car accidents or well, accidents in general

https://youtu.be/kahCrnqqhAM Bernie Sanders saying 'Single payer Medicaid would bankrupt nation'

with people who put themselves in said situations

And you don't get cases of someone's insurance turning down their cancer treatment because she had acne as a teenager.

So, arguing against socialized healthcare? I dont see why we are arguing

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What? I was talking about private insurance companies.

Since they're for-profit.

And the discussion started with how leftist policies tend to require more taxes to support

And Kane used the example of Healthcare

Yeah, I'm not denying that lol. I just think healthcare would be one of those things people wouldn't mind paying a bit extra in taxes for.

was I false?

maybe some but not all

Well, I can see why, but I think most people jsut want to pay less in general.

But thats just me, and it is wrong of me to assume the same of everyone.

And well.. I was also trying to rationalize why people wouldnt be in support of well.. More taxes for healthcare

I doubt there are people out there looking to pay the most for something just to pay more for the same

I guess it would be if I trusted most people to be responsible healthy adults and the people running it to be efficient

then ask yourself, is the government efficient?

Lol, hell no

Well, with very few exceptions

No, of course not lol.

I could name a few I considered efficient

only those that trust the gov want to give their health over to them

But thats only opinion

I am curious, which?

Actually just Singapore, but I am sure they have their issues as well

Problem is, its a very tiny country, with well no notable physical exports.

ah, but that would be because they are much smaller and can micromanage everything

exactly.

I don't like it, but frankly, I do think it would be slightly better than our healthcare system as it is right now.

I mean, I am not american but Ill speak from what I assume would be my perspective if I were one

So, you're in a country that does have it then?

then everyone would be on the same level so the wait times would be very long for simple or complex prosedures

Not at all.

Wait times are a myth.

We pay way less in taxes. But then thats also cause our govt does not do much for us.

They're for elective procedures.

If you need emergency care, you are going to get it.

Is this just the US or something else?

I mean, id like the context here

I was speaking for the US, myself.

Ah fair.

I am pretty sure that the hospital does not put everyone on the same line

well I hope so.

Jaden's hypothetical medical system

for one payer

he didnt say anything about that situation

And its hypothetical if we had one payer.

One thing that contributes to the 'wait time' thing is the fact that so many illegal aliens go to the hospital and take up space in the ER, I think.

But that happens here anyway as it is.

Cali?

yes emergency care would be top priority but look at canada and how they come down here for HC

Hmm, I guess its a hope that more taxes would make the system more efficient.

that is a liberal point of view

But we are more worried of the money being used on treatment rather than improving what you guys got.

the only thing we go to the US for is cosmetic and experimental treatment lol

and the left is where you find most of the liberals so again we prove the left is not cost effective 😉

To be honest, I am not certain in terms of efficiency, but the fact is no one really brings it up in the US except for a select few. They would rather just let people go bankrupt trying to pay for medical expenses themselves.

up here, cosmetic surgeries that have nothing to do with health or life have a wait time

for example, people that want their tonsils and adenoids taken out for the soul reason that they just want them out, have a wait time, whereas myself, I had no wait time because the infection they were harboring in my face was slowly rotting my face. In this case, I was in within the week.