I mean, the same in NZ, my dad would complain about the Chinese nationals who come to NZ for the free treatment. I was one of the chinese who got a PR, but even my Dad does not want the free treatment. Id be lying if I said I didnt feel the same.

Up to 45,000 people a year in the US die from a lack of healthcare, according to a 2009 study.
Do you know what that number is in Canada? 0.
The number in France? 0.
The number in the UK? 0.

The list goes on.

And that is in 2009. I don't know what the number is today. Could be higher, could be lower.

How much of that can be blamed on the government's management of healthcare

As it is right now the government doesn't manage any of it, to my knowledge. Our healthcare is privatized.

and compare the size diffferences in those countries vs the US

Hmm reminds me of that writer actually

You guys heard of ahh fuck

Sirname was Cook

cant remember his first name, but it was like John or James, criminal thriller writer

Was a doctor so most of his writings were based on conspiracies around the US medical system

I tihnk it was james Cook

The population as a whole shouldn't matter, since a bigger population would -in theory- give a proportionate amount in taxes. The issue here is people on welfare/jobless, and illegals who avoid paying taxes.

I mean I remember enjoying his books.

People who avoid taxes yet still benefit from the system.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the number was higher in the US than in other countries, but that's a failure in enforcing tax codes and from deductions/subsidies.

if anything the US should go to a One-Tax system where the only tax is sales tax on non-consumables

then there is no way to avoid taxes

and I mean tax non-food items

I mean, I didnt want to buy into the hysterian, like when everythings so shit, that you have the delusion that anythign could be better.

you have to tax everything, or else you loose more than you gain

Well, there's also the fact that the US can most definitely be spending it's tax dollars better, no argument here.

We have over 800 military bases around the world, for example.

We don't need that many.

And well, that there are alot of inefficiencies in the system

how many times does your money get taxed?

The wall is one such solution

Several.

I am pro-wall

Taxes are taken out on income, and every time you buy/sell an item.

Well, being here makes you altright lol

why tax a dollar several times? instead charge it once and be done

here, we pay 13 cents on every dollar spent, and we have income tax taken off that we get back later

I heard that you pay an amount and they decide to tell you later whether or not you paid enough

in the Us

but we have taxes on everything except for fresh food items

is it that bad?

yes @GingaBomber

you don't get charged taxes for fresh fruits, veggies, meats, and other basics

I'm really not too familiar with our tax system, myself. Sometimes you overpay and get more money back, sometimes you get a phone call from the IRS telling you that you owe them 5000 dollars.

in the US it depends on the state

State plays a part, yeah.

So different tax brackets per state?

I assumed the US had the same in every state?

abd if you don't pay enough they send you to jail till you pay it off

Like with that new tax plan.

Like, food items altogether are not taxed in California, whereas in Georgia only *fresh* food items are not taxes, if I remember correctly. Even if I am not, it's along those lines.

I assumed it will be implemented in every state

there is a federal tax nation wide then there is a state level then a city level

Ah I see

I'm not too familiar with th enew tax plan, either. lol

How the fuck man. So the average man for example. Of the money he recieves, how much of it goes to the govt?

so why tax our money so much?

Dunno really, I only heard good things of the new plan

about 30-40% by the end of the year

But then I already said I listen to more conservative sources

Well, it doesn't seem like a lot at face value, but if you actually add it all up some people can get taxed as high as about... I think 45%?

Thats almost european level of taxes.

With none of the benefits. lol

if you own property it is worse than renting

I mean, they should probably treat the govt like a buisness, if you want people to willingly give you money, provide a better service.

and a 20t debt

Instead of forcing everyone to pay the higher taxes.

And giving tax reductions to the wealthy.

that is why I say a one sales tax... no income tax no property tax... simple math

Which sounds good on paper, but it requires us to just "trust" that the companies/corporations will use that money to actually provide jobs instead of just pocketing it.

I mean, penalizing companies for going overseas was kinda one step

the tax deductions are about the same accross the board

Or providing incentives to those who stay

And if you trust the wealthy to not just pocket the money, you have far more faith in them than I do lol.

Well... I am from a wealthy family here so I kinda do.

rich don't become rich by hoarding

I know, it's through investing.

they become rich by investing and keeping the money fresh

And i can say, they just happened to work really hard and invested intelligently.

Maybe its the perspective some people have of the rich?

yes

Like of the people in the US, which side hates the rich more?

Do you respect them or do you envy them

the entitled people hate the rich because they want it for themselves

That sort of thing

I didn't mean to come off as "the rich are the sources of all of our problems!" kind of person. I am just saying that I don't trust companies any more than I trust the government.

all profit for no work

you really can't hate the rich, they work hard and then work even harder to understand what to invest in, you have to be smart to gain that kind of money

No you didnt, but I wanted to know if some policies were based off that

I agree jaden

I mean that happened in Ukraine

look at how many celebrities have millions while in their prime, only to die in massive debt

when they blamed all the ills on the farmers.

blaim is equal imo the hoarders are the ones you have to worry about

if they are good people you will know by how they treat the people under them

@JadenFrostwolf do you think the rich deserve a tax break also?

I mean, there are the borgoeise rich and then theres the hard workers

I don't know.

Many of the wealthy were already getting plenty in subsidies and deductions.

https://youtu.be/c1E4sQzEcR8 White House Uses Beer Drinking Story To Explain Tax Cuts

Dunno as well, but if there would be a tax cut, id probably do a company wide tax cut, of which there are already pleanty

If everyone else is as well, I don't see why not.

The only other cut you could do that would benefit everyone is an income tax cut