because it was largely concerned with addressing aircraft which were similar to it

we currently have aircraft which are substantially similar in capability to the competing ones, if slightly inferior in some subset of characteristics

do we? what do we have to fight the new russian jets toe to toe?

22 can't hold its own in a straight up fight

its not designed to either

ask yourself why the Su-34 and Su-35S look so similar

and look substantially similar to the Su-30

and the Su-27

they are all very similar aircraft, in the broad sense

they really don't

or more accurately, they look similar to an f-18

sure, you could say so

Now why is it that we pretend that we're going back to the drawing board on EVERYTHING

when ultimately we are going to produce something substantially similar to its predecessor?

just because it looks the same on the outside, doesn't mean it is the same on the inside.

The Russians know the answer to this question

Have you done design work?

the Su-35, Su-35S and Su-27m are decades apart

the Su-35 is more or less a new Su-27M

30 years later, they are still related enough that they have the same info bar on Wikipedia

you sure that is why?

same-but-different is the approach

it is different in the ways they cared about

i will re-ask my question, you ever done design work? of the engineering or technical kind?

What would qualify as a yes in that case?

I'm a software developer by trade

so no

I've not designed a production military aircraft

they you should know sometimes legacy code gets to a point where it needs to be re-done from the ground up from time to time. The more future proofed the original code the easier it is, but you can only do so much to plan for changes 30 years out.

No, I don't really agree with that statement.

Generally speaking, in systems of a certain size, it is rarely necessary to toss and replace everything.

Even if making a major change, like completely switching programming language or environment.

or most important purpose

making the next iteration as similar as possible to the previous generates a considerable amount of value in itself, if you are willing to do the grunt work.

yes u can make things more efficient

my point here is that the external aerodynamic properties of certain types of desirable military aircraft have not changed, per type, substantially since the '80s

You might get better engines, find out that thrust vectoring affects the desired wing structure

maybe two subassemblies are merged for better rigidity or serviceability

but that's not the same as "starting from the ground up"

which, in my view, is rarely your best option, if the system you want is substantially similar to the one you have.

they key phrase being "if the system you want is substantially similar to the one you have"

which is, in this case, true

and what if you wanted to simplify supply lines?

they've attempted to merge the roles into one parent design of the airframe

you have failed

because you now have three aircraft which share what...10% of parts?

its like running retardedly. if u get 10 mph at running retardedly imagine the speed you'll get if u start back down and do the right form for running.

they share a lot of the instruments and software surely

but those were never that difficult to share between craft anyway

a VTOL F35 will be able to share exactly _none_ of the external surfaces

_none_ of the power components

None of the subassemblies are the same.

i was not aware the f35 design was publicly available

They have concepts

a vtol HAS to have ports in places there are none on the other two

it has to have ducts, vents, actuators

yes, and a keyless ignition care has a spot for the key ignition

are they going to make all three have the same bloody ducts the vtol has?

just like a steering less car has a spot for the steering wheel

is that going to be a void?

what will replace it structurally?

on the outside why not? put in a plate that bolts in place like every other panel.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/F-35B_Joint_Strike_Fighter_%28thrust_vectoring_nozzle_and_lift_fan%29.PNG look at this shit

what goes where that lift fan is at?

second cockpit?

ammo

bombs

extra fuel (although that causes balance issues) or nothing if you are aiming for more underwing armament

the F135 has distinct variants for each F35 configuration

so how much of this supply is going to be shared?

sure, they might come from the same factories

but what do you get? you don't get interchangeability

you're not going to be building F135 variants into eachother

what exact value do you get out of this?

the fuselage is all different, the engines are procured separately, the cockpit is placed differently

"The variation between models allows military forces to achieve service-specific mission capability, while still taking advantage the economies of scale that result from the parts and processes that are common to all three variants"

sure, but that didn't require attempting to have them share an external dimension

anyway

I'm sure they'll figure out how to do something useful with them eventually

after enough retrofits

but that won't mean that their best intentions for this strategy will have come true

it remains to be seen whether any efficiency was gained through this process at all.

we'll see.

Watching Tim's video on the disney Princess: I disagree that social justice is a good thing (how tim describes it in particular), because I disagree that racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. are bad things.

at the very least they have been getting the cost per unit down

tbh, the Disney thing isn't even all the SJWish. its almost closer to comicsgaters and gamergaters complaining about changing characters.

lets put it this way, the look was so different i didn;t even know that was supposed to be tiana

like two these 2 look even remotely alike? https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/VDdkA4LJ1YxTcoVX0DLGuArYhHE=/0x0:1920x1080/920x613/filters:focal(807x387:1113x693)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/61534357/tiana.0.jpg

idunno, they look kinda similar

eyes, face etc.

it's a different art direction altogether so it's hard to compare

she looks Latino almost in the digital version.

hair way different, skin lighter

looks younger but idk if that is just part of the movie

I guess her skin is a bit lighter

is she supposed to be black?

yes

I am not familiar with disney films

I mean, there are reasons to lighten skin for film

https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Video122/v4/2d/33/86/2d33864b-1688-7cc7-193e-ee7c0f825be9/pr_source.lsr/268x0w.png

ultimately, with less light being transmitted, you lose detail

Ya, I wasn't too interested in most of the video, as I don't follow disney either. But tim likes to put some of his opinions in strange places.

not really sure that that's a big difference

I haven't watched this tim video you're talking about though

the hair is the biggest difference

and I obviously have not heard the controversy that sparked it

His opinion on social justice is really the main takeaway I got, well that and people complain about everything, but that's obvious at this point.

yeah, she went from a weave to a... somewhat more believable maybe-non-weave

also looks better in my opinion

well and the color

yeah, it's dyed

it seems

is it viable for it to be dyed, in the context of the story?

i mean, idk, the one on the right is from a movie not yet out

thats just from the promo

they said they are changing it

I mean, also they don't really have to make her look like some prototypical example of a recognizable "race"

oh, they're changing it?

disney is yeah

I hope not due to people being fucking idiots

but I guess that's probably why

what do the complainers want?

i think they are just messing with the colors, not necessarily character design

darker skin?

black hair?

to complain

they claimed she came out lighter than expect due to translation issues going from the 2d to 3d with light modeling and all that

what they mean is

they lit the scene well enough

that her skin detail is visible, and her hair set off from her face, to frame it

they lit it so well, even the black person turned white

heheh

cultural appropriation

the black person turned into a terminally-tan white person

basically

like i said, she looks Latino

kinda

latinos tend to have more yellow in the skin tone

@Timcast retardation. https://t.co/MCLalCYkgI?amp=1

not that I really like to pay that much attention

frankly I would rather not give a shit what tone people's skin is

between the hair color and skin color, i don't think the criticism are unwarranted. that doesn't mean people won't be stupid in delivering them

I'd like some melanin so I don't get a melanoma

rather than be like "tf you do to tiana? she looks latino", they are like "DISNEY IS RACIST!"

oh I'd smack a bitch for that shit...

well, this is Russia

you'd probably get beaten within an inch of your life if you retaliated against this girl

somebody needs to show this lady testicles though

“hey lady, the reason they spread their legs is so that they do not crush their _external sex organs_”

I volunteer to show this lady my balls

raper

lol

"why do men spread their legs so much"
"idk lady, why don't you?"

I think this lady is just too rich and too retarded at the same time

she's the same one who flashed her panties in a subway station to.... "raise awareness of upskirting"

hey, i encourage that kind of protest

the kind of protest you can really get behind you know?

giggity giggity

also the old lady "wtf you do you bimbo" look she got during that video was hilarious

Any road, I hope Russia has like... laws or something

You know, the type that the daughters of oligarchs are not above.

If they don't... well I guess Russia will soon have its very own Jake Paul!

I want to see a video of them grabbing the bottle and pouring it over her head for assaulting them, she should find as a law student she is engaging in assault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjBFWkCa-pk

yo quick thought experiment

if/when all the media political divide dies down, if we were so lucky. what type of news would you go back to paying more attention to

ima go back to full science/tech type stuff, probs worth to say that hasn't died but its been subverted in alot of cases

Im still gonna watch people like Styx

This divide is how i found him and Tim

funny cat videos

Woah

Nostalgia wave hit me hard. I miss the good old days of wholesome internet

Yes, back when it was only filled with Nazi dom porn.

Yes

speaking of femdom nazi gfs

Formula 1 legit went downhill after Max Mosley got kicked out, like seriously genuinely its gotten shittier every year afterwords (eh or atleast soon after)

solid proof ppl shouldn't kinkshame let alone kick people out of organizations for such <:think:420544662886023198>

poor lad just wanted to spank a nazi and get off to it, how the fuck is that a crime

Boop

hello!

welcome

@Arizan Hello, welcome to beanie land.

Ignore the.......disturbing thing above

...wot

@Abel thank you

Here's a meme

is this the normal thing to see in beanie land?

oh, thanks

It's not normal really, it's just....the weird hours when this is mostly a ghost town

haha nice meme friend, mind if I save this?

I'm more of a radical alt-centrist, myself

@Schedrevka np

Wouldn't that be....a Nazi?

Radical being a fringe, and Alt being identitarian

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low key ordinary centrist here

reee

Radical Alt-Centrist, adopting identitarian views of both left extreme and right extreme

oh my

yeah, I guess that would kinda be a nazi

but leaning on the "german worker spirit" thing as much as the "no jews" thing

from what I remember from history class, the more centre/left parts of the NSDAP were basically purged entirely, but the sort of core nazi ethos might be just that, radical alt-centrist

@Arizan i'd like to think most of the memes that get posted are less a hodgepodge of 2013 + 2016

damn, that's some archaic shit

Lots of normies here

Here's a good meme

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I wonder if the reason Tim always wears a beanie is because without it, we would be able to see the cogs of his robot brain, and the jig would be up

He wears a beanie because that's how he controls himself

Without it, he goes super saiyan

I thought he just starts to carves eldritch symbols that can't be erased by any natural means if he does not wear da beanie.

I thought he wore one because he is bald and doesn't like not having hair up there. Well, that and it's basically become a part of his brand now.

Pretty sure he was born with one on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LgfyUeFlzw

12 year old footage

same voice too

a lot of people i know change tone a bit between like 20-30

That just confirms the robot theory

Either that or he’s undead

Maybe he’s a lich, and the beanie is what gives him his undead powers

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Scandal! Tim pool spotted trespassing in warehouse to skateboard! Btfo! How will he ever recover?

israel is our greatest ally

Not that it matters, Israel is a problem we caused it is our responsibility to not let them be slaughtered because we put them there

Israel cool

my opinion of isreal is 🤷

i like having a distinct opinion but the more i read into it the more i realize its not within my comprehension to give a single baseline opinion, black or white

oh, darn, tim slid back into the "diversity is good" opinion.

normal diversity vs forced diversity two different things tho

It's a fairly common problem, with a lot of things. People either view positively or negatively, rather than based on context.

well i'd consider that more the problem

integration into society but willingness to let multiple peoples integrate could arguably be seen as good, maybe not from a Japanese viewpoint but as a American yes. Most of what has become American cultural came from that.

For Example the 1963 Corvette, probably one of the most recognizable American cars, (he also did the 69 Mustang) was designed by a Japanese American who grew up in a Internment Camp during WWII, you could name lists of "American" things that came from people who integrated into our culture, but came from another.

I've already had this conversation, back when he first put his diversity is a strength video up. My stance is "Diversity can be a strength, but that doesn't mean it must be". Like most everything, it can be good or bad.

That's really my opinion on a lot of things though, including even more touchy topics, like racism.

Okay then what is at the heart of the debate, whats the hinging factor. i'd argue that integration is still key, you are free to celebrate and keep your own views/past/culture when you move somewhere but above that you must mostly play their game in day to day life and be at peace with being a apart of what that country stands for.

The general agreement this chat came to, back then, was that there must be some commonality. Some foundational value or goal that kept the chaos in order.

I think that's what we are basically saying now?

I described it as chaos in a box 😛

i like that

Me too, it's scalable and begins with the individual.

and who doesn't like stacking blocks?!

Diversity is Great if it happens naturally

But if Diversity become your end goal, that's bound to end in doom

Every country has a cultural Overton Window. There are things that don't belong and in those cases diversity is not a strength.

America is a good example of diversity done right

Debatable.

Not on the basis of skin colour, but just people of every kind coming together to build a better future