Message from @xorgy

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2018-09-26 04:10:04 UTC  

@Grenade123 the laws of physics didn't much change since the '60s

2018-09-26 04:10:31 UTC  

Now, there are exceptions like the F-22

2018-09-26 04:10:43 UTC  

which is not inherently stable, and relies on thrust vectoring

2018-09-26 04:10:44 UTC  

no, but the tech has

2018-09-26 04:11:09 UTC  

The thing is, much like in software, the urge to adopt technologies for the sake of it is among the worst instincts we have

2018-09-26 04:11:10 UTC  

only so much you can do retrofitting

2018-09-26 04:11:19 UTC  

au contraire

2018-09-26 04:11:24 UTC  

you can retrofit ANYTHING

2018-09-26 04:11:28 UTC  

to do ANYTHING

2018-09-26 04:11:30 UTC  

adopting tech is not the problem, its defeating enemy tech that is the problem

2018-09-26 04:11:40 UTC  

retrofits can always be as good as new aircraft

2018-09-26 04:11:47 UTC  

you can, but not before becomes too costly and unstable

2018-09-26 04:11:56 UTC  

Well

2018-09-26 04:12:03 UTC  

that's unlikely if you're retrofitting the same class of aircraft

2018-09-26 04:12:28 UTC  

depends on what you need to retrofit

2018-09-26 04:12:53 UTC  

I mean, computational equipment is not that large

2018-09-26 04:13:00 UTC  

laws of physics hasn't changed much since the 40's, i don't see retorfitted spitfires flying around

2018-09-26 04:13:11 UTC  

if that's what you're adding, then it's not a big deal

2018-09-26 04:13:40 UTC  

The spitfire class is now irrelevant

2018-09-26 04:13:56 UTC  

because it was largely concerned with addressing aircraft which were similar to it

2018-09-26 04:14:34 UTC  

we currently have aircraft which are substantially similar in capability to the competing ones, if slightly inferior in some subset of characteristics

2018-09-26 04:14:57 UTC  

do we? what do we have to fight the new russian jets toe to toe?

2018-09-26 04:15:15 UTC  

22 can't hold its own in a straight up fight

2018-09-26 04:15:26 UTC  

its not designed to either

2018-09-26 04:15:39 UTC  

ask yourself why the Su-34 and Su-35S look so similar

2018-09-26 04:15:50 UTC  

and look substantially similar to the Su-30

2018-09-26 04:16:02 UTC  

and the Su-27

2018-09-26 04:16:17 UTC  

they are all very similar aircraft, in the broad sense

2018-09-26 04:16:17 UTC  

they really don't

2018-09-26 04:16:31 UTC  

or more accurately, they look similar to an f-18

2018-09-26 04:16:42 UTC  

sure, you could say so

2018-09-26 04:17:16 UTC  

Now why is it that we pretend that we're going back to the drawing board on EVERYTHING

2018-09-26 04:17:27 UTC  

when ultimately we are going to produce something substantially similar to its predecessor?

2018-09-26 04:18:14 UTC  

just because it looks the same on the outside, doesn't mean it is the same on the inside.

2018-09-26 04:18:18 UTC  

The Russians know the answer to this question

2018-09-26 04:18:35 UTC  

Have you done design work?

2018-09-26 04:18:39 UTC  

the Su-35, Su-35S and Su-27m are decades apart

2018-09-26 04:19:05 UTC  

the Su-35 is more or less a new Su-27M

2018-09-26 04:19:55 UTC  

30 years later, they are still related enough that they have the same info bar on Wikipedia

2018-09-26 04:20:07 UTC  

you sure that is why?

2018-09-26 04:20:18 UTC  

same-but-different is the approach