Not that it matters, Israel is a problem we caused it is our responsibility to not let them be slaughtered because we put them there

Israel cool

my opinion of isreal is 🤷

i like having a distinct opinion but the more i read into it the more i realize its not within my comprehension to give a single baseline opinion, black or white

oh, darn, tim slid back into the "diversity is good" opinion.

normal diversity vs forced diversity two different things tho

It's a fairly common problem, with a lot of things. People either view positively or negatively, rather than based on context.

well i'd consider that more the problem

integration into society but willingness to let multiple peoples integrate could arguably be seen as good, maybe not from a Japanese viewpoint but as a American yes. Most of what has become American cultural came from that.

For Example the 1963 Corvette, probably one of the most recognizable American cars, (he also did the 69 Mustang) was designed by a Japanese American who grew up in a Internment Camp during WWII, you could name lists of "American" things that came from people who integrated into our culture, but came from another.

I've already had this conversation, back when he first put his diversity is a strength video up. My stance is "Diversity can be a strength, but that doesn't mean it must be". Like most everything, it can be good or bad.

That's really my opinion on a lot of things though, including even more touchy topics, like racism.

Okay then what is at the heart of the debate, whats the hinging factor. i'd argue that integration is still key, you are free to celebrate and keep your own views/past/culture when you move somewhere but above that you must mostly play their game in day to day life and be at peace with being a apart of what that country stands for.

The general agreement this chat came to, back then, was that there must be some commonality. Some foundational value or goal that kept the chaos in order.

I think that's what we are basically saying now?

I described it as chaos in a box 😛

i like that

Me too, it's scalable and begins with the individual.

and who doesn't like stacking blocks?!

Diversity is Great if it happens naturally

But if Diversity become your end goal, that's bound to end in doom

Every country has a cultural Overton Window. There are things that don't belong and in those cases diversity is not a strength.

America is a good example of diversity done right

Debatable.

Not on the basis of skin colour, but just people of every kind coming together to build a better future

Right now it's being undermined.

Fuck right now

We're talking principle

So yes.

India is another great example

Especially my state, Kerala

Over 3000 different cultures and 40 different kingdoms decide to unite as a country

And somehow, it worked

We're the sixth fastest growing economy, with one of the strongest militaries in the world. All in eight decades, and starting from socialism

It's called a win-win scenario.

Yea

but what about toilets ?

Not one where the host country has to pay for everything and the people coming in get to take everything without working for it.

What about the cast system?

*caste

What about it?