The innocent man I would give him a light sentence, like 1 year prison time, then release him on good behavior in month and half before clearing his record.. As for the 10 who are guilty, I would punish them with the full book.

I know there is no such thing as annulment, but I think they're going to manufacture it.

> Other commentators have echoed the principle; Benjamin Franklin stated it as, "it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer"

> It is more important that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world, that all of them cannot be punished.... when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.' And if such a sentiment as this were to take hold in the mind of the subject that would be the end of all security whatsoever

<http://robertreich.org/post/177349093095>

They will manufacture *anything* if it means power.

I would work with the law to get the man the lightest sentence and have his record exponged.

If I have no choice to place a innocent in prison to keep the 10 guilty in prison.

MArk> Abraham drew near, and said, "Will you consume the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous within the city? Will you consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous who are in it?[2] ... What if ten are found there?" He [The Lord] said, "I will not destroy it for the ten's sake."[3]

I'm watching very carefully for public figures on the left dropping the word "annul" or "annulment" with respect to Trump. If you see more and more celebs, commentators, politicians, etc use the word you know they're trying to give the concept legitimacy.

Is that a good choice?

Atkins they cannot do anything without legislative power to do it

Moral Dilemma by Timcast was you free innocent man and 10 guilty accused of sexual misconduct or keep innocent in prison with the 10 guilty for sexually misconduct. I would put innocent man in prison with light sentence after explaining to him while putting harsh sentences with the 10 guilty, then release man on good behavior after a month before expunging his record. I have a feeling the innocent man would agree with me since I have no choice.

Atkins but once they have that power they will do it

What would you guys do?

@Mark I would adhere to blackstone's formulation as I quoted above I think

Well I am thinking outside the box.

If I can't do that, I would not put him in prison because I don't want to be responsible for ruining a innocent man's life.

Mark, hard cases make bad law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_cases_make_bad_law

Mark, the principle is one of the foundations of liberalism

and liberalism in the sense of liberalism not leftism

Liberals are against it now.

Since Trump is for it.

Mark, they are not liberals 😉

Well the modern liberals, not classical liberals.

Classical Liberals are cool.

Classical Liberals is a bit of misnomer

They are the liberals before the current crazy liberals came.

Modern Liberalism started with John Locke - more than 200 years ago

O.o

Mark, the people you USias call liberals are further to the left

Mark, and should rather call them leftists as a group than liberals

I used to be a liberal till they started becoming authoritative or I started noticing it for the first time, then I became a Libertarian Republican, but they are against ATheists.

Mark, but if someone is authoriarian they are really not liberal

So I became a Atheist, independent constitutionalist who stands by the constitution.

The US started misusing liberal around the time JFK died.

I think the current modern date "Liberals" are nothing but infiltrators.

Mark, Republicans in USA is a liberal conservative party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism

I am just explaining what I experienced... I had an freaking journey to end up where I am now.

Mark, the US left is turning away from liebralism - and it is not surprising that real liberals end up seeing republicans in a more favourable light IMO

WE can call ourselves libcons.

wood \o/

Independent Constitutionalist who is Atheist that leans right and supports the modern day Conservatives against the modern day Democrats/Far Left who became manipulating authoritarians.

I rather side with people who hate me as atheist but willing to defend my rights than people who love me as atheist but wants to take away my rights.

Basically that sums my stance at the moment, not to mention that Republicans are bringing back a prosperous United States under Trump which is definitely a huge plus in my book.

so just to be clear on this also - modern liberalism started with John Locke - who influenced USian revolutionaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke

> His writings influenced Voltaire and Jean-Jacques Rousseau, many Scottish Enlightenment thinkers, as well as the American revolutionaries.

The US constitution is a modern liberal constitution - it is just that in US liberal is used to refer to ideologies which is left of actual liberalism

Mark, do you know Douglas Murray?

Conservatives today are more inline with old Liberal ideology than the fact liberals today.

No I do not know Douglas Murray.

In this political climate the right is definitely more tolerant. I think the modern concenses of what a conservative is is changing.

Reason I haven't comment on anything about it yet.

As an atheist I've never felt as threatened by evangelical Christians as I do by leftists.

Exactly Dev.

Mark, man you must watch it: https://youtu.be/WmvPfbfzX4U?t=7846

Conservatives are becoming more open and tolerant than the apparent "Tolerant" party aka Democrats.

I never thought there would be a day that I would agree with conservatives...

And respect the conservatives, life sure does surprise you.

I am an agnostic who would love to have anarchism but that's not practical. I just want a government that doesn't feel the need to tell me what to do,.

Evangelicals will just come at you with whatever argument they just learned by reading CS Lewis. They won't try to murder you with a bike lock.

thats the governments job

Yeah Anarchism is not practical, it is just a dream that will never become reality.

For Anarchism to work, you need to strip away everyone's individualism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBTBIg7ht4

That's the irony Trump definitely says a lot of stupid things but he has been restricting government from messing with my life. Be that through deregulation and incompetence.

Can't say I didn't see that coming. There is a reason the term "The left eats its own" exist.

I really like Trump. I notice more and more Atheists are siding with Trump now.

Like me.

Wil believes in the progressive stack, there logic is that if you insult them you insult there identity. so when Wil blocked a troll he didn't do it because she was a dick. He did it because he hates women and trans people. This is what happens when you compete to be the most oppressed.

The far left are insane.. They have no principles or values or morals or standards or responsibility at all. Whenever they feel like they are loosing argument, are shown in bad light, or proven to be wrong... they immediately talk about campaigning against that law or the person or people's ability.

Hm, if they want to defend Pedophilia?

once again, he isnt banned from the entire website

just mastodon.cloud

there are thousands of others out there

Like if an disabled community decides to denounce the far left, they are immediately attacked and discriminated by the far left while the left campaigns to remove the rights of the disabled.

That is how the left are these days.

Some what pedos to be a stripe on the rainbow, https://www.reddit.com/r/TheNewRight/comments/93jczf/oooh_democrats_dont_support_pedophiliathey/

What is funny, I was shadow banned by twitter because I stand by the constitution and think everyone's rights should be protect regardless of political affiliation.

The left protecting and campaigning to normalize pedophilia is fucking sick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Fx6P7d21o

Will inability to see this happening just proves he is not as smart as he think he is. Used to watch his tabletop YT vids. The man definitely smells his own farts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q6pDGNQw3I

Is The White Rose still making vidoes?

Her channel looks dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taQMU5K0ykA

This right here...

They are playing words, trying to make people feel sympathy for pedophiles.

Like words like... Minor Attractive Person

Is the white rose still disableing comments?

Or categorizing Pedophile as a sexual orientation.

You know... I just realize something.

This is a custom of muslims to have child brides.

This might be the reason they are pushing for it.

It is a Muslim agenda.

Or Islamist agenda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO-EeL4neYw

We are regressing to a freaking third world undeveloped country.

Develop countries do not condone child marriages and pedophila.

Remember the New Mexico Judge stated that cultural differences could explain why a group of Muslims who were training kids to shoot up schools, would fid it normal to have the dead body of a 3 year old in the house. S there must be some dumbass out there who would belive fucking children is normal.

WTF...

That still doesn't make it right for it to happen here in United States.

When a foreign comes to our nation, they are subjected to our laws.

Oh wait Mohamad did marry an 8 year old, so Islam must be the official religion of pedos.

no, 6 year and fucked with 9

I'm sorry, if you believe it is okay to vacation in my country and take a child bride, because in your home country it is okay, you got another thing coming!

I just showed tim pool's videos on will wheaton to a friend of mine and this is what he had to say.

These people should be hung regardless of their nation they come from.

and this guy is not budging

this is how it is

you dont accept what i have tried to explain 3 times here, then you go through him

and you will not go past him because this is the facts and he is always right about it

Who are you talking about Scary?

...

did you not watch his latest video?

Lionirdeadman?

No I haven't yet.

no

timpool

timcast

or whatever video he put out

I will check it out later.

no

right now

not later

I am actually eatting.

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Remember, 'free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences' unless you are attacking me I am a hypocrite.

fuck off mee6

...

Mee6 is a cooperate shill.

^

yet a certain somebody does not understand how mastodon works

get lost mee6

The idea of mastodon is cool. it make social media more like a IRC server you can connect to with a variety of software.

its basically tweetdeck

it looks nearly identical to that

wood, do you know of matrix.org?

Funny, Discord makes social media more like an IRC server, too.

wood, it's like federated irc/discord

mastadon is the right solution to the problem

^

you will get various servers with various leanings - but that is fine

the future is decentralized services

the system can evolve

That what I though when discord first came out. it IRC with the UI of twitter.

IRC networks have been federated for what, 30 years?

they might have executed it wrong but its the backbone for future products that may be better or superceeds it

devpav not really in the same was as matrix.org

discord just looked like something else to me when i first joined

Discord is really just ircd hosting.

devpav: https://matrix.org/blog/home/#about

bob, alice and charlie are completely independently managed

so there could be rooms just on matrix.bob.com - but others could exist on botwh matrix.alice.com - and they will be the same room essentially

matrix.org is a lot harder to censor rooms/communities with - as it can just move to a different server - and from there still access all other content

you can try it with: https://riot.im/app/

it is kinda laggy at the moment

>5s latency - but they are working on it

there are many servers though - and really which one you are on does not matter much

https://ipfs.io/ a peer to peer web protical.

Matrix looks like Slack

irc federation is not open federation like matrix.org

wood, well it is designed to be similar - but decentralized via federation

i use wire

anybody can bring up a matrix.org server an federate with most other servers

Weechat sounds nostalgic for some reason.

Here are some of the terms they are using to try to legalize peodphila.
MAPS: Minor attracted person (pedophile)
NOMAPS: It doesn’t mean they’re against it like you’d think, it means they’re a “non offending” non-contact pedophile, which they seem to think makes them moral.
NAMBLA: The North American Man/Boy Love association, their goal is to abolish all ages of consent.
Hebephile: Pedophile attracted to pubescent kids.
Nepiophile: Someone who’s sexually attracted to toddlers and babies.

This shit got to be fought where ever it rears its ugly head.

https://www.trcctb.com/2018/07/31/movement-to-normalize-pedophilia/

I find this movement alarming and scary...

I am getting off this subject, I am getting pissed off at these sick individuals.

phrasing

They are trying to be manipulative, same manipulation they use on children. Grooming society to accept them.

These people are sick, something is absolutely wrong with you mentally if you are attracted flat chested children who are incapable of having babies, this may be a bit crud but why fuck something that can't even fit a dick?

And people called it a slippery slope fallacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_7688Zk6s

https://i.redd.it/v72v8pz9ccby.png

Exactly Woodchuck. I wonder if there is any group fighting them in the legal battle.

Dedicated to combating this push.

Changing subject because I am getting myself worked up and pissed off.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/california-undocumented-appointment-trnd/index.html

<:TimThink:482277772497125378>

@devpav the sad trhing is @shariaforamerica is a legit facebook page and not a troll.

#calexit

How exactly is she undocumented? I mean, she apparently has a law degree. I guess she has documentation of that?

what the fuck she came here when se was 14

Pretty sure those child bride memes are 4chan trolls, even if accurate.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/24/cash-strapped-undocumented-immigrants-chicago-flock-free-community-college/794428001/
They sure want those freebies.

California not only allows illegal; imagrants to go to college but they subsodize it.

https://abc7ny.com/politics/mayor-says-if-trump-tries-to-deport-undocumented-immigrants-hell-destroy-idnyc-data/1609239/

What happens when you report your state rep to ICE?

I don't know, but I like to report.

>.>

At this point, they are only doing this to piss trump off.

https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/11/07/why-dont-we-let-noncitizen-residents-vote/

Assuming it does

Just a few week ago SF allowed illegals to vote in school board elections, no slop here my ass.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/politics/New-Haven-Asks-State-to-Allow-Non-Citizens-to-Vote--135569598.html

Why cant the US just declare the entirety of cal invalid if thats the case?

Oh they said it would stop there at school board.

Shit nevermind

It must be possible to charge these sanctuary city officials with harboring illegal aliens.

I didn't believe them...

Thats abussable

Looks like my concerns were justified.

Fucking traitors to this nation.

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/07/12/plan-renews-push-to-give-non-citizens-the-right-to-vote-in-portland/

In the first paragraph they say on 24% of population votes, if a majority of the population doesn't vote then can't you get those people to vote for you? Why bus them in from another country?

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

If the state's Secretary of State is certifying elections contaminated by illegal alien votes then it's basically up to Congress to refuse to seat the 'winner'.

Hm, can't Trump just jail those traitors??

The Portland Mayor should be indicted for mot following Federal Law.

If I recall the Oakland mayor obstructed an ICE operation.

At some point this rises to the level of Seditious Conspiracy.

You can't advocate for the state being all powerful only when it attacks your enemies.

Oakland mayor warned like 200 illegals of a raid

I can only assume that the DoJ is being obstructionist on the matter and is refraining from pursuing charges in these cases.

Just allow non citizens to vote already. Vladi will surely help get the turnout above 100%

https://twitter.com/TanSpeakersCor/status/1035145447734534145?s=20

Or do strawpolls its the sme thing as elections without voter id anyway.

Can Americans here explain to me why illegal immigrants in the US and Canada are treated as humans

that would be a grate headline, 'voter turn out 150%, but no signs of voter fraud'

As the same as citizens

Seems to me that the two countries are trying to blur the line between immigrant and illegal

In the UK our media is trying to conflate mass immigration with immigration

@everyone #ProsecuteAsiaArgento

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6104239/Rose-McGowan-released-explosive-statement-Asia-Argento-sex-scandal.html

Wasn‘t there a county with 120% turnout already during the last election? I heard something like that, not sure about wich election and how much over 100% though.

Okay then. Would you be okay with someone from my nation coming to your nation Fyre and electing a presentative that is willing to sell off your nation's prosperous future to my nation?

Allow me to vote in your elections for someone who is willing to basically allow my nation to annex yours?

That is why foreign citizens are not given right to vote.

You should be wary of any vocal advocate, they are usually ignorant or hypocritical

If you advocate for foreign citizens aka illegal immigrants to vote in my nation's election, I should be able to go to your nation and vote for someone who is willing to let my nation annex yours.

Or change the laws so my nation can steal your tax payers money and resources.

I am dead serious, that will be abused by nations who want to steal land, resources, or money.

Destruction of language is the worst plague the far left has brought. By calling illegal aliens immigrants people are reading facts about lawful immigration and falsely equate the stats to illegals.

Mexico already funnels larges sums of money from United States, supplementing their GDP, up to $26.1 billion dollars in taxpayer's money.

Its on purpose

We should manifest destiny Mexico.

We already send 320 billion to mexico through various programs.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/26/us-aid-320-million-mexico-wall-trump-specialists-backfire/97103024/

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/02/10/514172676/mexicans-in-the-u-s-are-sending-home-more-money-than-ever

Not to mention how much Illegal immigrants cost United States citizens in taxpayer money being used on them.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-the-us-taxpayer

That is just the economic strain I am talking about. I am not talking about the crime being committed and the unfair work practices against United States citizens thanks to illegal immigration.

Not to mention the groups that advocate for annexing United States land out from under us and committing genocide against every United States citizen who live on those lands.

Illegals don't directly get welfare but through kids and getting to us the existing US info structure the cost us $90-$280 billion, depending on your sources.

And you wonder why I am fed up with illegal immigration and the drive by Democrats to basically aid them. Democrats to me are nothing but a bunch of traitors to our nation.

Indirectly getting it through fraudulent practices or through their children.

If I was president, I would come down hard on illegal immigration without shedding a tear.

I know Trump is trying too, but at the same time he is walking a fine line.

Not trying to piss off United States citizens.