They will manufacture *anything* if it means power.

I would work with the law to get the man the lightest sentence and have his record exponged.

If I have no choice to place a innocent in prison to keep the 10 guilty in prison.

MArk> Abraham drew near, and said, "Will you consume the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous within the city? Will you consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous who are in it?[2] ... What if ten are found there?" He [The Lord] said, "I will not destroy it for the ten's sake."[3]

I'm watching very carefully for public figures on the left dropping the word "annul" or "annulment" with respect to Trump. If you see more and more celebs, commentators, politicians, etc use the word you know they're trying to give the concept legitimacy.

Is that a good choice?

Atkins they cannot do anything without legislative power to do it

Moral Dilemma by Timcast was you free innocent man and 10 guilty accused of sexual misconduct or keep innocent in prison with the 10 guilty for sexually misconduct. I would put innocent man in prison with light sentence after explaining to him while putting harsh sentences with the 10 guilty, then release man on good behavior after a month before expunging his record. I have a feeling the innocent man would agree with me since I have no choice.

Atkins but once they have that power they will do it

What would you guys do?

@Mark I would adhere to blackstone's formulation as I quoted above I think

Well I am thinking outside the box.

If I can't do that, I would not put him in prison because I don't want to be responsible for ruining a innocent man's life.

Mark, hard cases make bad law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_cases_make_bad_law

Mark, the principle is one of the foundations of liberalism

and liberalism in the sense of liberalism not leftism

Liberals are against it now.

Since Trump is for it.

Mark, they are not liberals 😉

Well the modern liberals, not classical liberals.

Classical Liberals are cool.

Classical Liberals is a bit of misnomer

They are the liberals before the current crazy liberals came.

Modern Liberalism started with John Locke - more than 200 years ago

O.o

Mark, the people you USias call liberals are further to the left

Mark, and should rather call them leftists as a group than liberals

I used to be a liberal till they started becoming authoritative or I started noticing it for the first time, then I became a Libertarian Republican, but they are against ATheists.

Mark, but if someone is authoriarian they are really not liberal

So I became a Atheist, independent constitutionalist who stands by the constitution.

The US started misusing liberal around the time JFK died.

I think the current modern date "Liberals" are nothing but infiltrators.

Mark, Republicans in USA is a liberal conservative party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism

I am just explaining what I experienced... I had an freaking journey to end up where I am now.

Mark, the US left is turning away from liebralism - and it is not surprising that real liberals end up seeing republicans in a more favourable light IMO

WE can call ourselves libcons.

wood \o/

Independent Constitutionalist who is Atheist that leans right and supports the modern day Conservatives against the modern day Democrats/Far Left who became manipulating authoritarians.

I rather side with people who hate me as atheist but willing to defend my rights than people who love me as atheist but wants to take away my rights.

Basically that sums my stance at the moment, not to mention that Republicans are bringing back a prosperous United States under Trump which is definitely a huge plus in my book.

so just to be clear on this also - modern liberalism started with John Locke - who influenced USian revolutionaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke

> His writings influenced Voltaire and Jean-Jacques Rousseau, many Scottish Enlightenment thinkers, as well as the American revolutionaries.

The US constitution is a modern liberal constitution - it is just that in US liberal is used to refer to ideologies which is left of actual liberalism