At best in capitalism, the govt cant force a company to do shit.

YOU added "limited"

Other than punish them for not following the law

99.99% is substantial too 😉

substantial=total somehow?

NO

FUCKIN

I WILL SHOOT YOU

I WILL FIND YOU

I WILL TAKE OUT YOUR FRONTAL LOBE

AND BLEACH IT

bitch you still gotta escape your own diapers, let alone travel half the world to come get me

Semantics are a bitch yes?

they are

They're a WHORE

Theres difference there, but subjective as hell

the difference is how one would interprate it

This is the kind of situation where newspeak would be nice

substantial = 75% or more imo

Statism does not define how much controll. Only the fact that the govt has some control over some aspects

^ substantial

That can include stuff like protectionism, defense, law enforcement

yes, hence

Socialism is a FORM of statism

That doesn't mean every case of Statism is Socialism

no

no nononononon

Socialism is a very very very extreme if anything, and even then id call it highly incorrect

In socialism, the government OWNS everything

Statism does not mean the govt owns stuff

and in statism, the government can CONTROL everything

the difference is in the words at that point

NO MATE

Like I said, industry regulation is a form of statism

The EPA is statism

You dont have to own the company to dictate what it cant do

And you cant dictate what they have to do

Cuba is socialism

No forcing a factory to produce arms

No forcing a company to give out free shit

Those are socialism

Where the govt owns the factories and can dictate what they have to do

Mirriam-Webster even uses it

can we agree both are bad?

and be doen with this convo

or move it to debate

We already have those

Law enforcement and civil services like millitary, firefighting are both statism

Since the control of both is centralized

yes

Its not like we have mercs patrolling the streets

law enforcement ins not centralized

DIfferent mercs I mean

IF you want non statist stuff

Cyberpunk is full of that actually

there are countless municipalities that have their own police force

They have ambulances that only service people that paid for the service.

Statism isn't bad

Its highly effective, but they will kill anyone on the way to save the subscriber

Not allowing child sex slave trade markets is statism

like i said:

All Socialism is a form of Statism

but NOT All Statism's are Socialism

And we are arguing that socialism and statism are both separate concepts

Not allowing companies to dump waste into rivers is statism

they are

Owning the company itself is socialism

otherwise they'd be synonimous, but they're not

Feminism is Statism! 😂

any law dictating what a company cant do is a form of stateism, but not socialism

socialism is absolute in that it can only do what the state wants

but also socialism

its a gradient

all socialism is statism

I will kill this person

first comes 100% free capitalism, add a single rule so that companies cant do something and its a lil statism, when there is nothing a company can do that is not governed by the state its socialism

now THAT is wrong

you need to get your anger in check Shivangi 😄

she's still young and energetic

and hopeful that life will get better

🗡

People grow up

I hope

Unis have a vested interest to prevent that

🗡

I dunno bernie is in his 70s

👌 😮 🚬

80s

or that

Bernie is just stupid

76

"People wanna talk about food lines in socialist countries. That's a good thing!"

some people don't grow out of it

"Look at Sweden, look at denmark. Socialism is great!"

Heres something to lighten you up

look at venezuela

Look at Venezuela, we should be more like Venezuela

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnud3VjXebY

I fixed that london map to make the muslims more obvious

also added communists i see

Blood