The EPA is statism

You dont have to own the company to dictate what it cant do

And you cant dictate what they have to do

Cuba is socialism

No forcing a factory to produce arms

No forcing a company to give out free shit

Those are socialism

Where the govt owns the factories and can dictate what they have to do

Mirriam-Webster even uses it

can we agree both are bad?

and be doen with this convo

or move it to debate

We already have those

Law enforcement and civil services like millitary, firefighting are both statism

Since the control of both is centralized

yes

Its not like we have mercs patrolling the streets

law enforcement ins not centralized

DIfferent mercs I mean

IF you want non statist stuff

Cyberpunk is full of that actually

there are countless municipalities that have their own police force

They have ambulances that only service people that paid for the service.

Statism isn't bad

Its highly effective, but they will kill anyone on the way to save the subscriber

Not allowing child sex slave trade markets is statism

like i said:

All Socialism is a form of Statism

but NOT All Statism's are Socialism

And we are arguing that socialism and statism are both separate concepts

Not allowing companies to dump waste into rivers is statism

they are

Owning the company itself is socialism

otherwise they'd be synonimous, but they're not

Feminism is Statism! 😂

any law dictating what a company cant do is a form of stateism, but not socialism

socialism is absolute in that it can only do what the state wants

but also socialism

its a gradient

all socialism is statism

I will kill this person

first comes 100% free capitalism, add a single rule so that companies cant do something and its a lil statism, when there is nothing a company can do that is not governed by the state its socialism