NO

FUCKIN

I WILL SHOOT YOU

I WILL FIND YOU

I WILL TAKE OUT YOUR FRONTAL LOBE

AND BLEACH IT

bitch you still gotta escape your own diapers, let alone travel half the world to come get me

Semantics are a bitch yes?

they are

They're a WHORE

Theres difference there, but subjective as hell

the difference is how one would interprate it

This is the kind of situation where newspeak would be nice

substantial = 75% or more imo

Statism does not define how much controll. Only the fact that the govt has some control over some aspects

^ substantial

That can include stuff like protectionism, defense, law enforcement

yes, hence

Socialism is a FORM of statism

That doesn't mean every case of Statism is Socialism

no

no nononononon

Socialism is a very very very extreme if anything, and even then id call it highly incorrect

In socialism, the government OWNS everything

Statism does not mean the govt owns stuff

and in statism, the government can CONTROL everything

the difference is in the words at that point

NO MATE

Like I said, industry regulation is a form of statism

The EPA is statism

You dont have to own the company to dictate what it cant do

And you cant dictate what they have to do

Cuba is socialism

No forcing a factory to produce arms

No forcing a company to give out free shit

Those are socialism

Where the govt owns the factories and can dictate what they have to do

Mirriam-Webster even uses it

can we agree both are bad?

and be doen with this convo

or move it to debate

We already have those

Law enforcement and civil services like millitary, firefighting are both statism