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its hypocritical for feminists to claim to be the arbiters of what masculinity is to begin with; they criticism men for "mansplaining" over womens experiences,, yet do just that in reverse (and call it mansplaining to disagree!)
That article says the term toxic masculinity was coined by an MRA...
Well, the MMM, which I guess is one of the earlier men's movements. I think the article is flawed though in that the meaning and usage has completely changed since it came into the mainstream.
The origin of the particular phrase doesn't matter, because no one refers to it in that manner, not that the original manner was particularly good anyway
I only skimmed it and several other topics so feel free to disagree with me if you think I'm wrong
Of course there is such a thing as toxic masculinity.
As like there is toxic femininity huh
Yes, there is
That's why it's unnecessarily gendered
Except they are different phenomenons
Men can also use psychological manipulation which is termed as toxic femininity
Women can use violence too
By who? It is not
None of those things are linked to what you claim they are
Emotional manipulation is primarily a female thing
And not toxic femininity
Like violence is primarily male
And none of these things are related to either toxic masculinity or toxic femininity
So what is your point?
My point is when men are being violent, it's called toxic masculinity
Anyone who says that is poorly informed
And when women use emotional violence it's toxic femininity
And Yet It Is Not
It's the mainstream view though
You keep making these ridiculous claims that show you have no clue what you are talking about, but it really is not
Let's hear your definition of both
Societal expectations of __________ that are harmful to the gender they are applied to.
IE hyperstoicism for men and unrealistic beauty standards for women
When a man uses violence, your kind of scholars like Kimmel says that it's him seeking to be dominant than what he really is.
My man Indigo, your passion is bright, but you come in guns-a-blazing, and it will hurt you more than help you in most cases, so I'm glad you asked for definitions. Add your own for the term "toxic" in reference to -ininities.
Which is in fact a societal expectation of men to be dominant
But is it harmful to that man?
Violence? Then it is
Dominance? Then it depends
And specifically how is violence harmful to the man?
I would not contest that society still views that men are to be the more dominant, but the definition of proper domination is changing, and the inequality is beginning to fade. This will be a totally different discussion in 20 years.
@Dan da Dad just debating dude.
Proper meaning actionable. Work/pay bills/make financial decisions/decide where family lives - currently still expected of men moreso than women
You need proof for violence being harmful for anyone
Jail time
Emotional problems