In regards to violence against men, it's some serious doublethink to say that it's sexist to see women as weaker, but also fail to see a woman assaulting a man as "legitimate" assault

Yeah.

It doesn't make much of a difference, but when it comes to stronger/weaker, it seems like their opinion is that men are physically stronger, and women are mentally and emotionally stronger

i just cant fathom the mentality of men who jump in against a man who is just defending himself...what would they want if it was happening to them??

Like this story, he was beaten into a coma and brain damage https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/kensington-mps-son-beaten-unconscious-by-girl-gang-in-kfc-queue-10381364.html

not the quote about not hitting a woman...he just let this happen until he was being kicked in the head

I could kind of understand that if I knew the woman. I would help my friends. But not someone random. I can't properly explain the 'defend all women' thing, besides it being seen as part of bravery/perhaps a need to be respected

It hurts me so badly to hear that he got beaten up, and yet still couldn't break that taboo about fighting back.

literally brain damage

its ridiculous

It is. And they'll not have much more coverage than this.

reddit /u/Imnotmrabut posted a new link in /r/MensRights
The term “toxic masculinity” has become ubiquitous over the last few years after laboring obscurity for the better part of three decades - https://redd.it/aaknk0

https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/toxic-masculinity-fake-male-insecurity/

its hypocritical for feminists to claim to be the arbiters of what masculinity is to begin with; they criticism men for "mansplaining" over womens experiences,, yet do just that in reverse (and call it mansplaining to disagree!)

That article says the term toxic masculinity was coined by an MRA...

Well, the MMM, which I guess is one of the earlier men's movements. I think the article is flawed though in that the meaning and usage has completely changed since it came into the mainstream.

The origin of the particular phrase doesn't matter, because no one refers to it in that manner, not that the original manner was particularly good anyway

I only skimmed it and several other topics so feel free to disagree with me if you think I'm wrong

Of course there is such a thing as toxic masculinity.

As like there is toxic femininity huh

Yes, there is

That's why it's unnecessarily gendered

Except they are different phenomenons

Men can also use psychological manipulation which is termed as toxic femininity

Women can use violence too

By who? It is not

None of those things are linked to what you claim they are

Emotional manipulation is primarily a female thing

And not toxic femininity

Like violence is primarily male

And none of these things are related to either toxic masculinity or toxic femininity

So what is your point?

My point is when men are being violent, it's called toxic masculinity

No it is not

Anyone who says that is poorly informed

And when women use emotional violence it's toxic femininity

And Yet It Is Not

It's the mainstream view though

You keep making these ridiculous claims that show you have no clue what you are talking about, but it really is not

Let's hear your definition of both

Societal expectations of __________ that are harmful to the gender they are applied to.

IE hyperstoicism for men and unrealistic beauty standards for women

When a man uses violence, your kind of scholars like Kimmel says that it's him seeking to be dominant than what he really is.