Of course there is such a thing as toxic masculinity.

As like there is toxic femininity huh

Yes, there is

That's why it's unnecessarily gendered

Except they are different phenomenons

Men can also use psychological manipulation which is termed as toxic femininity

Women can use violence too

By who? It is not

None of those things are linked to what you claim they are

Emotional manipulation is primarily a female thing

And not toxic femininity

Like violence is primarily male

And none of these things are related to either toxic masculinity or toxic femininity

So what is your point?

My point is when men are being violent, it's called toxic masculinity

No it is not

Anyone who says that is poorly informed

And when women use emotional violence it's toxic femininity

And Yet It Is Not

It's the mainstream view though

You keep making these ridiculous claims that show you have no clue what you are talking about, but it really is not

Let's hear your definition of both

Societal expectations of __________ that are harmful to the gender they are applied to.

IE hyperstoicism for men and unrealistic beauty standards for women

When a man uses violence, your kind of scholars like Kimmel says that it's him seeking to be dominant than what he really is.

My man Indigo, your passion is bright, but you come in guns-a-blazing, and it will hurt you more than help you in most cases, so I'm glad you asked for definitions. Add your own for the term "toxic" in reference to -ininities.

Which is in fact a societal expectation of men to be dominant

But is it harmful to that man?

Violence? Then it is

Dominance? Then it depends

And specifically how is violence harmful to the man?

I would not contest that society still views that men are to be the more dominant, but the definition of proper domination is changing, and the inequality is beginning to fade. This will be a totally different discussion in 20 years.

@Dan da Dad just debating dude.

Proper meaning actionable. Work/pay bills/make financial decisions/decide where family lives - currently still expected of men moreso than women

You need proof for violence being harmful for anyone

Jail time

Emotional problems

Improper - denying the ability to use the car or phone, mandating basic human needs like what to eat or wear - is legally actionable

@Dan da Dad it's not just the society but women who put the expectations on men.

Violence is actionable regardless of who initiated and the gender of the victim. The problem is we are on the tail end of the stigma

It's a society thing. And society is changing about that.

Society and women are practically synonyms