Morning, all

I've been jotting down thoughts, notes, poems and more about this divorce.

Sure thing.

I'll have to do it from my home computer, but I'm excited to share. I plan on resourcing other experiences and putting them together. "Divorce: From a Guy Who Believes in Marriage."

Adding a pocast and maybe hitting some conventions.

Just don't to what Joey from Friends did to simulate one for a video shoot

Soooooooo I was over at /r/divorce_men, and directed here for my issue. I filed for divorce, cannot afford a lawyer, but will go fundraising if I need to, and life has been unnecessarily hell, even for a divorce. I need help. I get support, but I need to better arm and prepare myself for the hearings and legal battles ahead.

Saving this.

@Men Are Human should we open up the feeds channel to a few more subs...or make a command to nominate/recommend individual posts?

Lee County GA

So far, the minimum retainer I've found is 3k, but I don't feel the hunger. Whether true or not, I feel at a disadvtage simply by being a man in this scenario.

I just want to make sure of two things first - what is allowed to be posted there, and then how do I nominate? Do I just put in the link and it fills in the rest?

Sent you the link for review. I'm looking for debate, direction and discussion, but I don't want to make it look like a pity party.

I'm not exactly sure what the purpose/guidelines of that channel are, you know

I'm...already here...

I mean to post that particular post into the <#515481742052818945> channel here

lol Dude I getcha. This is day three of 12 hours shifts. Few hours of sleep. It's all good

lol

I'm in. I've got a lot of issues, and am making rounds in the different subs that offere assistance of any kind.

Well, check my posts and things that I've asked and things I've advised. I am in a position that I want to learn and grow, and if I'm super lucky, I can contribute to another's struggle.

'Tis true

TLDR of my story

It's his right as a man human to do so in his own home

Sorry to play devil's advocate here

OH SHIT RL...XB1?

Well, this is MY story, ongoing, and it's a daily struggle. Not only do I have to work on myself, work on the divorce, work, and also enjoy my time with the kids (which I do tremendously), I also have to be alone with my thoughts of self-doubt/worth and all the emotions that comes with.

I'm open for discussion, advice, direction.

I agree.

They seem very supportive and aggressively active when it comes to men's and father's rights

Absoloutely

I'm on a hell of a trip...and I hope in the wake, that someone can benefit from my experience

I'm currently at work, so I can only contribute little by little at the moment, but I'll be able to interact more later on

It feels like the movement towards equality will gain footing on this issue, but all the groups are so disconnected, like cells

I'm working on gathering information (experiences, data, cases, thoughts) and meeting with people who want to make a positive influence as well. Between publications, podcasts, online document resources... a hub could prove quite useful

Let me see how much I have after Christmas. I'm willing to chip

If you make it a Facebook thing, I can share and promote that, too

Facebook allows people to show support for a cause and ask others to raise funds

I don't see that avenume having much success for revenue, but it's an option

From my understanding, both of those arguments are the leading contributors.

In GA I'm hearing a 2-5 year unless until remarried or dead

Alimony guidelines are so bad. I am presentin to the court that even though I made more, she caused more damage with her reckless spending. She kept us in debt and check-to-check when we should have been banking $200+ a month

I'm going to have plenty of time over the weekend to talk and do an AMA here. I just got released from jail two hours ago

Y'all wanna talk about mistakes? Lads, get ready for a tale. For now, I'm going to sleep. I think Discord has been reestablished in my work computers so I can chime in throughout the day tomorrow.

How about I try here first. There's a lot to the story

Two nights ago, my stbxw found a recording device in our room. I have been sleeping in a converted guestroom for several weeks, but the room in question is mine as well
We are going through a divorce since October, but I've found out little by little that she had cheated on me, and details about the timetable and activities have been hard to obtain
She found the recording device Monday. Tuesday at 10AM I was picked up for invasion of privacy. I was booked at 6PM. I was then brought to a cell in D block at 2AM Wednesday morning.
I was seen by a judge to set bail, a hearing date, and be clear of the charge, which was "Eavesdropping." This is a felony.
From 10am Tuesday to 10PM last night, I have been in shirt, sandals, and pants. Very thin. No underwear. A plastic mat and pillow. A not-quite-so-large wool blanket.

I felt the same. Like a nanny cam is legal, right? Also, it wasn't video in a bathroom, it is audio in my own bedroom.

That will be my defense, and I do have a preliminary hearing set up, hoping to talk to the Public Defender about this, but this was all yesterday, so I'm just now out, at work, and making a plan

In GA, it falls under invasion of privacy/eavesdropping, and lists several aggravating circumstances. She is using the "reasonable expectation of privacy," which I get if she weren't an adultress. What I need to do is look up what rights I have in m own home.

My friend, this is gold!

or at least Reddit Silver!

It does! I want to be as prepared as possible for my PD meeting.

Have not heard good things about our office here

Timetables, activities

At one point, she would only confess to oral and digital penetration, and also "cited" GA Divorce Law that Adultery can only be enacted if PIV intercourse can be proven, so obviously she never admitted to that. I always suspected.

She also stated I could be held liable for slander if I attempted to divorce her under adultery and could not prove it

Well, now I have recording of her saying "I remember the first time, you were so shy and nervous and awkward." And he replied "And then we had sex in the car."

It is what it is. I have to deal with the emotional aspect and the legal aspect separately. In terms of the office, they call him the Public Pretender.

I believe so as well. It would have to be in a way that would damage or discredit a person and cause damage.

[(Messed) Up Date]:
Last we left off, she had found the device. She confronted me about it, where I stated I am allowed to record in my own house, and that I did have damning information. The next morning, she had me arrested for eavesdropping, which is a felony. I went into jail 10AM Tuesday, booked and set a hearing date, and I bailed out 10PM Wednesday. I have an order not to go near her or return to the house.

**New bit of news,** our checks came in last night. Hers is direct to her new personal account, and we have a joint account that our mutual bills come out of, where my checks still get directed. Post-filing, we have emails stating that our money is our own and our bills are our own, and we only transfer to square up. She currently owes me money from previous bills that have come out, and then **she transferred $500 out to her new account**, which violates this agreement. **She stole $500** which § 16-8-12 states is the minimum required for *Felony* Theft by Taking.
My parents are pooling for a good lawyer.

Two things, that I will share from my perspective that may get you started on where to look: In our state, it is a one-party consent state. If one party (i.e. ME) consents to the recording, it is admissable.

As for the Eavesdropping charge: if there is a reasonable expectation of privacy, and no party is aware of the recording, that is the basis for the invasion of privacy. There are a couple of trumps - PARENTAL CONCERN trumps expectation of privacy. Let me find our statute...

O.C.G.A. 16-11-62

It shall be unlawful for:

(1) Any person in a clandestine manner intentionally to overhear, transmit, or record or attempt to overhear, transmit, or record the private conversation of another which shall originate in any private place;

(2) Any person, through the use of any device, without the consent of all persons observed, to observe, photograph, or record the activities of another which occur in any private place and out of public view; provided, however, that it shall not be unlawful:

Yo, @InsaneCaterpilla you should either sticky that link you made, or make a locked channel solely for divorce resources

(B) For an owner or occupier of real property to use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are on the property or an approach thereto in areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy; or

(C) To use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are within the curtilage of the residence of the person using such device. A photograph, videotape, or record made in accordance with this subparagraph, or a copy thereof, may be disclosed by such resident to the district attorney or a law enforcement officer and shall be admissible in a judicial proceeding, without the consent of any person observed, photographed, or recorded;

I understand that, and the first sticky to that channel should include such provisions (we are not lawyers, and even of we are, this is not legal advice, etc...) because as a place to share stories, we also give each other starting points for where to look for our own specific cases. Just thought I'd bring it up

Your link has been very helpful for starting points for my own searches, for example, even with my new charge. It gives me things to bring to my lawyer so we both start off more evenly in our discussions

Will do! This is one of my go-to places for what's going on with my case. Even just the support is a tremendous relief

I was told by my law library that the higher earner CAN, in rare cases, receive alimony, but I do live in a state that has "At Fault" stipulation. That may matter

I'm in GA, too! Let me see if I can find what I saw...

(2) Any person, through the use of any device, without the consent of all persons observed, to observe, photograph, or record the activities of another which occur in any private place and out of public view; provided, however, that it shall not be unlawful:

(B) For an owner or occupier of real property to use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are on the property or an approach thereto in areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy; or

In other words, you are protected (1) unless you are committing a crime

Your lawyer may be differentiating between legally abusive language and what a reasonable person may consider wrong, but not necessarily illegal

(C) To use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are within the curtilage of the residence of the person using such device. A photograph, videotape, or record made in accordance with this subparagraph, or a copy thereof, may be disclosed by such resident to the district attorney or a law enforcement officer and shall be admissible in a judicial proceeding, without the consent of any person observed, photographed, or recorded;

You may ask your lawyer if you need to bring this to the DA or CPS directly

I found the 2017 version here: https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2017/title-16/chapter-11/article-3/part-1/section-16-11-62/

I wold not share with her your evidence yet

What exactly are you lawyered up for?

Divorce? Suspicion of abuse? A different case?

Ah, same here bro

I am seeking an aggressive lawyer to fight this Eavesdrop charge

(B) For an owner or occupier of real property to use for security purposes, crime prevention, or crime detection any device to observe, photograph, or record the activities of persons who are on the property or an approach thereto in areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy;

- Since adultery is a crime, and I am the owner/occupier of the property, I have the right to record while on my premises

The retainer for the one I want is over 7k

Jeeebus! So here's what you gotta ask your lawyer: with the evidence you have, can you prove an At-Fault Divorce? If he/she is confident you can, than it impacts everything else

Alimony, Custody, Property Division

Adultery is difficult to prove. All of my consultations say that. I have confessions recorded. I was hoping to have the past few months of messages disclosed in discovery, but this has taken so long that the oldest messages I can get won't help

Verizon, with a court order, can produce all the content of text messages (and a few other details of other programs like WhatsApp) for three billing cycles

There's a program that can tap into her phone and update you on her activity (hiiiiiiiiiiighly suspect as admissible), but they sell it as something you can use to track problem children, not spy on wife

$80

Was there any Order in place?

Has she been there six months?

WHy is your lawyer lolligagging? (aside from getting more money out of it)?

Do some research on the applicable motions in your area, especially about abandonment. Contact CPS anonymously and ask some questions.

Not Your Phone, and no names

Be prepared to move without your lawyer. Gather data and bring it TO him as opposed to waiting on him for everything

https://old.reddit.com/r/Divorce_Men/comments/a3c89l/meny_calculations_win_divorce_custody_before_you/

You have a whole different court on your side! Contact your JAG or applicable office. Set meetings once you've prepared what you have

READ THAT BOOK

75 pages of Enlightenment

If you have proof of her abusing her kids, especially if they were in housing at the time, she is subject to military law

aka FUCKED