Message from @Indigo
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As like there is toxic femininity huh
Yes, there is
That's why it's unnecessarily gendered
Except they are different phenomenons
Men can also use psychological manipulation which is termed as toxic femininity
Women can use violence too
By who? It is not
None of those things are linked to what you claim they are
Emotional manipulation is primarily a female thing
And not toxic femininity
Like violence is primarily male
And none of these things are related to either toxic masculinity or toxic femininity
So what is your point?
My point is when men are being violent, it's called toxic masculinity
No it is not
Anyone who says that is poorly informed
And when women use emotional violence it's toxic femininity
And Yet It Is Not
It's the mainstream view though
You keep making these ridiculous claims that show you have no clue what you are talking about, but it really is not
Societal expectations of __________ that are harmful to the gender they are applied to.
IE hyperstoicism for men and unrealistic beauty standards for women
When a man uses violence, your kind of scholars like Kimmel says that it's him seeking to be dominant than what he really is.
My man Indigo, your passion is bright, but you come in guns-a-blazing, and it will hurt you more than help you in most cases, so I'm glad you asked for definitions. Add your own for the term "toxic" in reference to -ininities.
Which is in fact a societal expectation of men to be dominant
But is it harmful to that man?
Violence? Then it is
Dominance? Then it depends
And specifically how is violence harmful to the man?
I would not contest that society still views that men are to be the more dominant, but the definition of proper domination is changing, and the inequality is beginning to fade. This will be a totally different discussion in 20 years.
@Dan da Dad just debating dude.
Proper meaning actionable. Work/pay bills/make financial decisions/decide where family lives - currently still expected of men moreso than women
You need proof for violence being harmful for anyone
Jail time
Emotional problems
Improper - denying the ability to use the car or phone, mandating basic human needs like what to eat or wear - is legally actionable
@Dan da Dad it's not just the society but women who put the expectations on men.
Violence is actionable regardless of who initiated and the gender of the victim. The problem is we are on the tail end of the stigma
It's a society thing. And society is changing about that.
Society and women are practically synonyms
Debatable, and I take a differing stance