How many hands do i raise , i never knew mine 🤔

I have decent parents. Divorced but i grew up with both in my life.To this day, at gatherings by my mother current boyfriend meets ex husband meets former boyfriend

@Silveru i never said so. I did say i had good parents, did i not?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwFnHw8Gz5s

why do incels hang out in mgtow

They are Self Loathing??

I think they should

Its the best solution to their problems imo

Maybe some incels can turn into MGTOWs by loosing their misery and anger towards women and accepting female nature

The line separating both of them is thin after all

Right

The part about the state of mind

Their state of mind is dependent on the external validation coming from interactions with women, so they drag themselfes into the plantation but refuse to work instead of leaving it.

They often appear like backstabbers to me. They'll talk shit about women with you but if you look away and women would give them glances, they instantly fall for it.

Sure

I agree with your assertions about incels

@Mysteriedingens

I would say though based on common grievances between women, the system and incels and MGTOW. That line is definitely blurring due to a "common enemy"

But MGTOW proclaim self ownership in their actions and responses to their environment

Incels also have more extreme grievances, for example domestic violence and such. A True MGTOW would not do that by free will

Mgtow seek self actualization

mgtow too seek to be more realistic too. Some are stoic. I think some incels are hedonistic by nature

In terms of being comfortable within a self - imposed neurosis of rage. Often I find that incels will stay at home and play computer games. And writing on forums

I seek stoicism. love Marcus Aurelius and Seneca!

This could be hedonistic for them because cathartic behaviour is their pleasure

hence the incel minded neurosis

Marcus Aurelius and Seneca are the shit

Never heard of 'em

Whats wrong with hedonism?

Or rather, whats your objection to it, wrong doesnt really apply to philosophy.

Hedonism is just a gateway to complete emptiness. It's sure is fun in the short term but long term it creates a void that can never be filled

@Nephil The Pumpkin Kingagreed

My ex was a hardcore hedonist. It ends with using drugs and throwing money out until you have nothing left then your 9 to 5 work and mental problems

Hedonism is fun short term and not longterm?

Worthy to mention that these people tend to always search a thrill which longterm cant give them

I think you got your philosophy mixed up there. Probably with cyreanics

which has also been called cyreanic hedonism

Hedonism Sounds Great if you know what ur doing

Hedonism is a school of thought that argues that the pursuit of pleasure and intrinsic goods are the primary or most important goals of human life. A hedonist strives to maximize net pleasure, but when having finally gained that pleasure, happiness remains stationary

In theory it sounds great, just like Communism

Well of course Pleasure and happiness are completely different things