I agree with your assertions about incels

@Mysteriedingens

I would say though based on common grievances between women, the system and incels and MGTOW. That line is definitely blurring due to a "common enemy"

But MGTOW proclaim self ownership in their actions and responses to their environment

Incels also have more extreme grievances, for example domestic violence and such. A True MGTOW would not do that by free will

Mgtow seek self actualization

mgtow too seek to be more realistic too. Some are stoic. I think some incels are hedonistic by nature

In terms of being comfortable within a self - imposed neurosis of rage. Often I find that incels will stay at home and play computer games. And writing on forums

I seek stoicism. love Marcus Aurelius and Seneca!

This could be hedonistic for them because cathartic behaviour is their pleasure

hence the incel minded neurosis

Marcus Aurelius and Seneca are the shit

Never heard of 'em

Whats wrong with hedonism?

Or rather, whats your objection to it, wrong doesnt really apply to philosophy.

Hedonism is just a gateway to complete emptiness. It's sure is fun in the short term but long term it creates a void that can never be filled

@Nephil The Pumpkin Kingagreed

My ex was a hardcore hedonist. It ends with using drugs and throwing money out until you have nothing left then your 9 to 5 work and mental problems

Hedonism is fun short term and not longterm?

Worthy to mention that these people tend to always search a thrill which longterm cant give them

I think you got your philosophy mixed up there. Probably with cyreanics

which has also been called cyreanic hedonism

Hedonism Sounds Great if you know what ur doing

Hedonism is a school of thought that argues that the pursuit of pleasure and intrinsic goods are the primary or most important goals of human life. A hedonist strives to maximize net pleasure, but when having finally gained that pleasure, happiness remains stationary

In theory it sounds great, just like Communism

Well of course Pleasure and happiness are completely different things

But in reallife, it does not work.

Pleasure in that sense describes things such as satisfaction with your research, too

and net-pleasure is pleasure minus pain. So, a hedonist wouldnt be slobbing away on heroin knowing the pain it will eventualy bring

Pleasure is short term satisfaction, happines is long term satisfaction, imho

It Doesn't Work Because there is an imbalance in what your doing instead of what your sustaining

If your happiness is bound to something you have no control over, like it is often in reallife, it contradicts itself

I would argue happiness is overratef and solace is much better

Solace?

The fact that nothing lasts forever and all things are temporal in this world would lead two outcomes: Nihilistic Hedonism or Epicurian Aestheticism

How can hedonism be nihilistic?

Or, in what sense are you using the term nihilistic?

Because hedonism gives no purpose. And thus it has no meaning

it gives the purpose to strive towards net-pleasure

It has much more factors. Hedonism is either minimalistic or a freedom of choice. Freedom is often increased with wealth. And in most cases for wealth, you need longtermgoals

Valuing nothing nore than satisfaction leaves a sense of vacuity