because he's not arguing for the Christian God

This is the problem with trying to scientifically prove that there is God. He is using elaborate words to try to convince someone that doesn’t believe in God

Because theyre talking about proofs for any god

@Theo they've chosen not to debate the character of God at all

he's arguing merely for the God of the gaps argument

Conception in the mental sense is understanding; imagining is creation.

@Spartan322 which technially wins the debate. but is a very pendatic arguement

God exists but not in this terrible way that he is trying to prove.

and doesn't actually say anything

It doesnt

by a technical sense it kind of works, but it means nothing

Oh lol I had them both on Mute. Been here for 10minutes wondering tf going on lmao.

lol

If you accept the premise that something can be infinite, you can just make the universe your infinite. Either that or you have turtles all the way down

How would you prove God is real @lanceleader

An intellectual shouldn’t try to explain God. Never let another man teach you.

You can't debate over.

Thanks power range.r

well I mean it could. it just means that 'god' aka the first mover or contingency is very tiny

tbf arguing for God from the empirical realm won't work because faith is not about empiricism

yeah to be honest I think a better argument is to take God's existence for granted, and argue his character

And so tiny that it practically doesn't matter

If you're willing to modify god to mean anything that could be considered "the first" or an infinite, sure. But then you've said nothing

and without knowing his character makes it double pointless

since that is far more releveant to the actions of day to day lives

anyone even have a question? I don't, this is better left as a discussion and anything I ask will be out of scope

plus it'll just be leading the discussion later

this was cool

I rationalize god being real because the you can look in history and see that the events that happened in the Bible,actually happened

Your very existence is proof of God. God doesn’t have to be this bearded man in the sky. He is a higher being than all of us.

All the unknown will remain a mystery forever because we simply cannot fathom such things. We are lesser beings than God so we can’t try to describe Him.

same. I just feel like Pius is arguing a very pendantic point and I am not read up on the minusca of metaphysics

@Myth
For Pius,
where is the bridge between the philisophical concept of God you've argued for and any ability to know his character?

I would never try to rationalize God or his character because 1) its futile 2) it won't help man actually incorporate faith

so anything I ask is going to irrelevent being more practically minded.

Sovereignty is that authority that does not recognize any other authority equal or superior to itself within it's domain

@Myth Why do you need to believe a God exists? What does it mean to you. Why do you need to convince others of you're beliefs.

ill bring you up next legalize

thats a question for Pius

@Myth you saw my text question?

yess spader ill bring it up

@Myth For both: What would change your mind about your belief about (a) God?