Message from @lanceleader
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I don’t why pius hasn’t brung up the bubble at all in his argument
The bubble?
*bible
Oh
because he's not arguing for the Christian God
This is the problem with trying to scientifically prove that there is God. He is using elaborate words to try to convince someone that doesn’t believe in God
Because theyre talking about proofs for any god
he's arguing merely for the God of the gaps argument
Conception in the mental sense is understanding; imagining is creation.
@Spartan322 which technially wins the debate. but is a very pendatic arguement
God exists but not in this terrible way that he is trying to prove.
and doesn't actually say anything
It doesnt
by a technical sense it kind of works, but it means nothing
Oh lol I had them both on Mute. Been here for 10minutes wondering tf going on lmao.
lol
If you accept the premise that something can be infinite, you can just make the universe your infinite. Either that or you have turtles all the way down
How would you prove God is real @lanceleader
You can't debate over.
Thanks power range.r
well I mean it could. it just means that 'god' aka the first mover or contingency is very tiny
tbf arguing for God from the empirical realm won't work because faith is not about empiricism
yeah to be honest I think a better argument is to take God's existence for granted, and argue his character
And so tiny that it practically doesn't matter
If you're willing to modify god to mean anything that could be considered "the first" or an infinite, sure. But then you've said nothing
and without knowing his character makes it double pointless
since that is far more releveant to the actions of day to day lives
anyone even have a question? I don't, this is better left as a discussion and anything I ask will be out of scope
plus it'll just be leading the discussion later
this was cool
I rationalize god being real because the you can look in history and see that the events that happened in the Bible,actually happened
Your very existence is proof of God. God doesn’t have to be this bearded man in the sky. He is a higher being than all of us.
All the unknown will remain a mystery forever because we simply cannot fathom such things. We are lesser beings than God so we can’t try to describe Him.
same. I just feel like Pius is arguing a very pendantic point and I am not read up on the minusca of metaphysics
@Myth
For Pius,
where is the bridge between the philisophical concept of God you've argued for and any ability to know his character?
I would never try to rationalize God or his character because 1) its futile 2) it won't help man actually incorporate faith
so anything I ask is going to irrelevent being more practically minded.
Sovereignty is that authority that does not recognize any other authority equal or superior to itself within it's domain
@Myth Why do you need to believe a God exists? What does it mean to you. Why do you need to convince others of you're beliefs.