Message from @Jonaltright

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2018-11-16 13:04:04 UTC  

@VinceChaos the video you posted "How to find a nationalist girlfriend" I disagree with. One many of us cannot afford a child who can live in a white neighborhood, so having a kid is outright dangerous. The fact is, all the trends indicate that the future is mass suffering for us, and frankly who would have kids, or should, if they think that they won't be able to themselves, spouse, and child away from that? Also note that I might be having a child myself, because I am in a relationship with someone with alot of resources who is older than I am. I would never have a kid with someone less financially able than me, because I have very little resources myself

2018-11-16 13:07:23 UTC  

If you have alot of money yourself, and what it takes to get a nationalist girlfriend, then yes your a hypocrite if your not having children. But if you just can't get a girl, or you have very little financial resources, then that is not being a hypocrite. Also by enough resources I mean alot more than enough to feed and clothe them, I mean enough to live in a white neighborhood

2018-11-16 13:30:29 UTC  

> using against women I'm courting

2018-11-16 13:30:50 UTC  

Warfare ???

2018-11-16 13:31:03 UTC  

Should you really be courting someone if you have to use stuff *against* them?

2018-11-16 13:36:00 UTC  

@Jacob Almost all women I meet are against what I believe. Especially the notion that 60 years ago women were happier, even among generally "conservative" women. I think sometimes IE taken Identitarians underestimate just how BAD it is out there finding a woman who is of our views, or even someone capable of being led to that point

2018-11-16 13:39:02 UTC  

Maybe it's just the word choice that threw me off. I get that more likely than not you'll have to guide a women a bit, but "against" sounds a bit harsh, like you're forcing the information on someone unwilling to hear it.

2018-11-16 13:39:28 UTC  

Which I suppose could be the case, I don't know

2018-11-16 13:40:12 UTC  

More like doesn't want to hear it.

2018-11-16 13:41:04 UTC  

Why do you need to convince them that life was better for women 60 years ago?? So long as they want to raise children the same why you do, assuming that’s the intention, does it really matter??

2018-11-16 13:41:11 UTC  

She will read what I give her, watch videos, but yes she wants to see men as having it easy and women as being protected

2018-11-16 13:41:23 UTC  

*being protected today

2018-11-16 13:47:59 UTC  

@NateDahl76 Well because I want her to understand why women shouldn't vote as a whole and why women should be encouraged not to work. If being a career woman isn't the ideal, and she is, what if we have a girl? She will want the same thing for her daughter. If we have a boy, she needs to understand that he will likely end up in trouble if he looks for a relationship that is similar to his mother's and I. In other words she needs to understand that while it may work for her and I, we cannot pretend it will work equally well for our son or daughter

2018-11-16 13:51:12 UTC  

@Jonaltright dont worry about getting a girl on board with your exact political views. It matters in the long term but not early into the relationship.

2018-11-16 13:52:06 UTC  

You mean put off till tomorrow what you can do today, AFTER the baby is born?

2018-11-16 13:52:39 UTC  

No that's not what I mean

2018-11-16 13:58:29 UTC  

For one thing, it takes people a long time to fully understand what we're up against right now. Once you learn the facts you also have to learn to accept them and the weight that they carry. None of that has anything to do with whether a woman will make a quality wife or not. For example, a girl can know everything there is to know about the JQ but still be a huge whore and terrible person. On the other side there's a girl who doesn't know that much about politics but wants nothing more than to live out her natural role as a wife and mother - even if she doesn't ever verbally admit it.

2018-11-16 13:59:19 UTC  

Another aspect to consider is that most women will end up following their man.

2018-11-16 13:59:27 UTC  

They need to be lead

2018-11-16 14:00:00 UTC  

It's not about getting them to verbally admit you're right. It's about observable traits.

2018-11-16 14:02:10 UTC  

We are at the point of being ready to conceive but she has all the natural resources. She is 44, I am 27. By resources I mean she has ALOT of resources. We will not be together forever. This is my chance at very high quality genes, better than mine, in making a child. But she will have most of the power, and making sure she is fully onboard is all I have to insure she will be fully onboard with my tradtional plans. To be clear, she already has two kids to someone else who she has raised fairly conservatively- sends them to church, understands the importance of masculinity on the whole, etc

2018-11-16 14:02:47 UTC  

I wouldn’t worry about convincing her “women shouldn’t vote” that’s a terrible hill to die on. Also, if you don’t have much in financial resources I suggest you take a less strict approach to her working. And there are absolutely white areas that are more middle/working class. Look at upstate NY. Or almost anywhere in New England.

2018-11-16 14:04:03 UTC  

@Zyzz I am all for her working, I am against encouraging our daughter to do the same, or expecting our son to find someone like her, the way I found her

2018-11-16 14:04:17 UTC  

*the way his father met his mother

2018-11-16 14:05:08 UTC  

Like I said, she is 90% of the way there

2018-11-16 14:05:13 UTC  

It's a good sign that she's raising her kids conservatively. Much better than some verbal confirmation that she agrees with your political views

2018-11-16 14:05:55 UTC  

Yeah and she even takes into account my opinions on porn, video games, etc in raising her current children

2018-11-16 14:12:09 UTC  

@TV It's whip topping on the sundae I guess? I want her to understand exactly what men and women are. Men are the place that power comes from, women wish to submit to this. She needs to understand her own nature fully in order to understand her future daughter and son's. Our relationship is very unorthodox and like I said we both expect that I will move onto another woman in the future. I will have very little power over any issues that we truly disagree on. She is in the supernova stage, the strong desire to have a child., unlike her ex wants a man who wants to be involved with the children. I agreed to that provided that she understands that I must be able to have authority over the child, as that is really what makes fathers want to be around in the first place.

2018-11-16 14:14:18 UTC  

I am effectively courting someone I'd never have a chance with if she were my age, sexual market value would be way to high, she denies this of course. Only reason she accepts me over a older more established man is that I am young and will give her a better shot at viable offspring

2018-11-16 14:15:00 UTC  

We love one another now, but know the age difference is too vast to last forever, and I can only get one kid from her,

2018-11-16 14:18:12 UTC  

@NateDahl76 yeah good idea. I didn't mean anything that outlandish, it's more just a mindset that actions mean a lot more than words.

2018-11-16 14:22:56 UTC  

hol up

2018-11-16 14:23:09 UTC  

I think the more interesting question is how did you end up with a 44 year old at 27

2018-11-16 14:23:33 UTC  

I mean I'm not trying to judge you I'm just interested. If it's personal and you don't want to explain it's fine

2018-11-16 14:29:03 UTC  

I am very alpha, but have very little economic power, owing to a head concussion that resulted in narcolepsy, on top of being doxxed with a very recognizable name in Charlottesville. I can pretty much land an 7-9 woman every other time I go to a bar, and have done that since I was 21. But it's not a fulfilling life. I want a family, or at least children. Problem is I have nothing to offer financially. I'd give anything for a good job, but I am just plain not really good at anything. I planned to be a cop, I even have a criminal justice degree. So my girl was at a bar a year after her divorce, I guess he had a drug issue and wasn't showing any interest in his kids, so she split. I hope that is the real reason, don't have any reason to see it otherwise. But she loves how I interact with her kids, and loves me for my paternal ideas, but just has a small amount of disagreement on the real hardcore stuff

2018-11-16 14:31:50 UTC  

*Not that she expects me to father her boys, but I will be around them as long as her and I have a kid, so I do my best to give them the redpill, and she and I agree that their eyes really do light up when I'm "Telling to em' like a man".

2018-11-16 14:32:12 UTC  

huh, I guess that makes sense

2018-11-16 14:32:28 UTC  

Interesting

2018-11-16 14:34:16 UTC  

All I can say is a "small amount of disagreement" doesn't seem like a cause for concern.

2018-11-16 14:34:20 UTC  

Be aware that at 44 pregnancy risks exist.

2018-11-16 14:34:50 UTC  

Probably offsets the purported "good genes."