Message from @JC
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He explicitly claimed Civic Nationalism is our best hope for the future.
And referred to himself as a CivNat
(((Alt Hype)))? :-p
He's correct that White Nationalism 1.0 is a dead end. I don't think anything bearing the title "White Nationalism" will ever succeed.
I haven't seen the video, though.
So I can't really comment beyond that.
I agree with you, Patrick. The video doesn't reveal the depth of his contempt for us. The livestream he just did was where he really let it all out.
The first hour
He explicitly attacked his audience. Very liberalist of him
Did he mention IE specifically or is he just done with identity politics altogether?
He didn't just punch right all of a sudden, he want all Krav Maga on us and went for the balls.
He didn't mention us thank god, or i'd really be salty
Patrick I'd really encourage you to go on the Killstream if you get a chance. Very friendly to our ideas
@Reinhard Wolff He said he's no longer a white nationalist and does not support a white ethnostate
Can you imagine if red ice or one of the other huge channels had a 180 😯
In the old video he said he still supports white identity
@Distracted Not to mention said we are 'cucking' by standing up for the white race. a white race that doesn't claim us. 'It would be like going to India and saying your Indian and telling them your standing up for their rights and future, they'd look at you like your crazy...like whites do to white nationalists now'
In two days he went from ethnostate with some exceptions, to jk fam
Being white nationalists is 'the easy way out'. He actually said that.
Someone tell him to blink twice if he’s being told to say this
How on Earth is standing up for your people cucking? Says the guy who identifies as a CivNat now...
I really don't understand. It's like he missed the point of white nationalism entirely, after being one for so long. He essentially used the 'I'm not Christian because of Christians argument'. Which is a strange one to use.
It's not really a requirement to believe in "the ethnostate" to fight for a better world for our people.
I'll be honest, some of the ethnostate talk can get a little bizarre.
His whole argument is that if Janet Housewife in suburbia isn’t completely aware of/awake to your movement, it’s not worth having at all. Which is silly
People talking about carving up the states and giving them to different groups. Does that sound at all feasible?
Maybe within a few hundred years if nothing changes.
@Reinhard Wolff I agree with you, however the punching right is not necessary. I'd argue I'm one of the most moderate ethnocentric person you can imagine, but I'd encourage you to listen to how he talks about the movement as a whole.
I'm going to listen to it on my drive tomorrow.
@Reinhard Wolff I laughed out loud when Richard Spencer got into ethnostates ~in space~
Just build an ethnostate in space, you un-Faustian idiot!
You heard it here first folks we’re putting an IE flag on Mars
@Reinhard Wolff Good. Some of us it is a bit hard to listen to/cringy at times. I have no problem highlighting problems with the phrasing we use to identify ourselves or others, but it went beyond that. Either way, I'll be interested to hear your perspective and I'm willing to soften my criticisms.
His defection is disappointing, but it changes nothing. Some of his videos are good, and I'm sure he'll continue to produce interesting content even if he OD'd on the black pill
If you can't have your ethnostate on Earth, there are plenty of other planets that will allow it, can't get much freer markets than uninhabited planets
The ethnostate is fun to dream about. But I'm more concerned with my 2 year old not getting Bantu'd by the natives we're importing. Additionally, we just found out we're having another boy today.
It's probably a fair criticism. Ryan is a sharp guy but he's always come across as a bit bitter and petulant.