International capitalism did not lift the masses out of poverty. Rapid development happened largely through government investment, and the quality of life of the masses did not improve until labor movements demanded it.

@ophiuchus this tbh

I feel like if you have much of any socialism it will every grow until you pretty much have Communism.

“Ideally,” the state and the people are a family, metaphorically.

Ironically, for as much as the Boers are touted about as paragons of capitalistic development, if you actually look at how their economy, and particularly public services were structured, it was basically lower-case "n," lower-case "s" national socialism.

I have objections to most social policies in this country now because my money is going to fund people who actively hate me because I am a white man and who would literally never do the same were I in their position.

@Wilhelm capitalism undermines the church and the family.

Why strive to have a family or children when you could have a nice car, or a lavish life of sexual freedom and luxuries? Why have religion when you have all the money and the power to do whatever you please, like a god?

Capitalism will monetize the destruction of morality. That’s why things are how they are now. That’s why MTV exists, why gay weddings exist, why pornography exists.

And capitalism in no way, will ever reward dignified ethics

@Wilhelm That's like saying if you have any bit of capitalism it will grow into corporate tyranny

Some may choose that life but they will find that it is meaningless and will have to except that they must have morals to live a happy life

Gays, and Trannies and (((empowered))) women and peacocking brown males are ideal consumers. Pozz, anti-white world is FOR international, left-corporate capitalism

I believe in the right to work yourself into whatever luxury you wish for, but I however, do not believe humans are entitled to destroy nature or values to achieve those luxuries

Even if you look at Sweden, and I don't see what they have, or even what they had in the mid-70s as an ideal model, they had some of the highest taxation in the world to fund all of their programs, but they also had perpetually balanced budgets, and by virtue of the fact that everyone in the country was basically the equivalent of, at least, a fourth-cousin, they felt guilty about taking advantage of welfare, and so largely didn't.

Communism ignores vital realities that are important for personal happiness, penalizes innovation and the drive to work towards a better station, and inherently begets eternal revolution. Capitalism, in an unfettered sense, leads to a worship of greed, *avaritia gratia avaritis,* and leads people to value profit over the wellbeing of the state.

@NITRODUBS at what point is it destruction? Most companies either do voluntarily, or are forced by the state to become net-zero in waste.

I’m about to finish a degree in finance, believe me, these people are not our friends.

Could we talk this out on the general voice.

maybe for a few minutes

I'm gonna have stuff to do later

anyone else want to hop in?

@NITRODUBS Could you join I want to understand your view

Long story short, though, there are a lot of ideas that I'm willing to entertain, and even test on a local basis, and I think that that can be sustained, so long as we retain radically free speech laws, are armed to the teeth, and have private education, albeit possibly with vouchers, so that access is sufficiently widespread so as to be electorally feasible.

I’ll hop in for a little bit

And destruction, generally, is when you begin to destroy vital parts of an ecosystem, or create noticeable or irreversible changes the general cycles of an ecosystem

My headset crapped out, so I don't have a mic, but I can listen in, lol.

Capitalism has to be restricted to protect the environment, but it's not as simple as capitalism = degenerate. The market generally provides what people demand. It's the media that is convincing people to demand vices

Check out @KTHopkins’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1050290347279077376?s=09

@Wilhelm @Jacob @NITRODUBS @TMatthews The most essential thing about identiarianism is that we're all more-or-less rational people, so as long as our political system isn't being polluted by the views and agendas of interlopers, we can essentially work out whatever disagreements we have, and adjust our approach, depending upon what proves to be successful, and what doesn't...

Well, maybe not *most* essential, but it helps, lol.

For sure. In a healthy homogeneous society, we would also have civil political debate again

Exactly.

So each country can figure out what suits its needs

...because we'll be a *we* again, rather than struggling against all of the uninvited in a prisoner's dilemma-esque, every-man-for-himself scenario.

@Jacob ...not to mention that it's up in the air, whether or not we'll even have corporations, at least in the current sense, when our laws actually acknowledge the reality that only *people* can be considered to be people.

...and I think that it's pretty telling that, as the Orania Movement in the Northern Cape province of South Africa has continued to develop more and more into a thing, the supposedly dogmatically capitalistic Boers there are very much demonstrating an awareness of the value of cooperatives and the commons.

Animal of the Day is Opossum.

Lol

Press P to Pat the possums.

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BASED. North America's only marsupial. And consumes thousands of ticks a year without contracting LYME.

Honor the Possum, he fights for your health!