Message from @american_frankenstein
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They would be like 30% bruh
White southerners would deal with the issue better without Yanks controlling them
We’re not dominated by them
We carry them
@Ald Somehow I doubt losing Cali as a US state would have any impact on our economy. California's "money machine" is largely virtual - they don't actually make anything tangible or tradeable. It's all mostly advertising, where the product they sell is people and their personal information to advertisers and other companies. Further, the big companies that _do_, in fact, sell physical products have all their stuff made in China anyways, then import it to sell in the states. Then there's the fact that these companies generally hold their money in foreign localities where they set up satellite corporate offices to take advantage of tax laws there - because they would suffocate under the tax obligations imposed by California.
Then let's not forget that CA is the state most in-debt to the Federal government - their MediCal is subsidized by the entire rest of the country, as well as all their other social welfare programs.
Media likes to spin CA as "USA's biggest economy and money maker", but the real truth is California isn't even self sufficient. Oh, and good luck to them getting water and electricity on the cheap after secession, like they do now.
I don't mean dominated in that way <:really:453005408064241674>
but if you look at demographic maps by race, the south has most of them
It would need to be a priority for an independent South
I don’t see how secession would make our black population any worse
We have them now and we’d have them then
but you belong to a country where they're less than half overall what they are there
it would be a more self contained concentrated question
socio politically
i think it's in european genes and culture to be giving and it is what has caused the problems we have today because the people we given to have walked all over us
I just don’t see how that aspect would change at all
If CA were to secede, their big money maker e-companies can simply just move their HQ's (and will) right next door to Washington, Oregon, or Nevada. It wouldn't even be difficult, because they'd just be moving computer servers and no manufacturing or production systems.
The numbers of blacks would be identical
They'd be more of a thing at the national level
Plus if we are sovereign again we would have an easier time handling things like welfare
That's the argument
Oh you mean in terms of voting power
Yeah that would suck but i think it would work out anyway because we would be better able to remove the illegal population which is the bigger threat longterm
I mean if you think in terms of Georgia governor races, which if we seceded would be equivalent to presidential races, the races have only been close in very recent times, due to immigration
Remaining somewhat optics friendly what would be the idea long term for the black population
Cause it's sub ideal to have that presence and voting power indefinitely
Their own place?
Of course there’s always going to Black people in America. And black people already have their own places because they always choose to associate with other black people in black areas.
The thing is, is we don’t want to take in anymore African immigrants.
I think ultimately they shouldn't be in the same polity
They can be in North America but they should be nationally separate
Really the main problem we have right now is blacks being coerced into white areas and white communities
It would be best for both parties
The ideal solution is blacks having their own independent territory somewhere but that’s probably never going to happen
Or at least not anytime soon
So idk what the more realistic solution is
@Sherlock Absolute freedom of association.
It's not what we should be saying right now as like *the solution* but it's the ideal to move toward
The more realistic solution is a segregation system.
@Sherlock That's a good short term solution.
Why would we go back to what got us here