Message from @Sam Southern - TN
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@Sam Southern - TN now that's the kind of talk I like
The difficulty in deciding who are suitable immigration candidates really shows how much Americans have diverged from the original anglos.
European stock was destroyed after two world wars.
I want to remigrate to Poland and put out anti-immigration content
European immigration will never be a solution. We need our own babies.
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I think the first immigrants were not typical anglos. Nor were the other peoples who followed.
We should pretty much just knock immigration down as much as possible. I'd pretty much only be mostly fine with it if its the (European) spouses of Americans. My point with this is that this country, for a very long time, was heading toward the ethnogenesis of a new European people in North America- Americans. This was severely taken off the rails in the later half of the 19th century and all of the 20th.
Don't agree with zero immigration. Don't mind some immigrants, as long as it's not a lot and they're heavily vetted and compatible with the society. It's interesting meeting foreign people but they shouldn't stay here unless they are like us, at least, like us enough to assimilate and not destroy us in the process (so white people of similar culture).
White American is definitely its own group.
Honestly, I think I could be incredibly useful to this movement largely due to my own status as a child of immigrants. It can be a huge confidence boost to have someone who is a child of immigrants himself tell you that immigration isn't good.
@Alexander Pechorinit is and the US was populated by people with not just a certain nationality but a particular spirit to go along with it.
I have no qualms at all with the European people who are already here- even those as recent as @Jacob despite being descended from people who came here on the Mayflower. Our ultimate destiny lies in our conceptualization of ourselves as a European people in our own right- not merely Europeans with an American zip code.
I rarely bother with these conversations though since it really doesn't matter right now. We're not in a position to put any policies into practice so generally I don't participate in such discussions.
"Immigrants" are just a proxy issue meaning POC
@Josh M. -OH yes. And it selected for certain traits over the long term.
@sigruna14 It's important to figure out what our values are. I think this topic does need to be discussed. That being said, we shouldn't let it get too divisive. But I think it's fine right now.
@Sam Southern - TN We aren't an Anglo nation though. English Americans at best make up 15% of the country and most of them are mixed with several different Euro ethnicities. The largest Euro groups in America aren't English.
English Americans make up far more than 15% of the country. Ethnic data is self-reported, and honestly incredibly misleading.
The Founding stock of the nation is Anglo, what it was perverted into after floods of immigrants is indeed a different group. @Virgil
What language are we speaking again? The root and extant core of American whiteness is Englishness
It's very very common for people who are 1/8 Irish, or 1/8 German, to simply identify as that in totality.
@Ald People who are really far left might not care, but it could be a useful nudge
This is an Anglo nation because it was created and defined by Anglos. Everyone else came later after the framework was already built.
It's considered "more distinctive," more interesting- this is notable as a distinction from something, that being from "British," which is considered uninteresting by virtue of its commonality ubiquity.
American founders were at least a different breed of Anglo. It took a lot to get on that boat. Much of the founding fathers views were against what was considered "anglo" at the time.
Yes ^’
They were defending their rights as Englishmen. That's why they rebelled.
If your ancestors were here before 1900 it's going to be pretty difficult for you to not find a single Englishman in your lineage.
@Jacob yes
Half of American population is still descended from people around during the Revolution
Identifying as "English" is uncommon on a census because it's 1) "not interesting" and 2) many of the English in this country have been here for hundreds of years. It's so distant as to be almost meaningless- for the point of contrasting.
Okay guys listen closely
As a child of immigrants, I give you permission to be as anti-immigration as you want.
Also, I was an anchor baby, and I'm giving you permission to say "anchor baby"
It's like those n-cards that your black friends give you
The unique pull of adventure to the new world and the lack of welfare drew a certain kind of European here!
Keep in mind this is a country of *settlers* not immigrants
Faustian spirit
Good example, my father is completely gung-ho about Irish stuff despite being only 1/4 Irish.
Settlers build something new. Immigrants just take advantage of stuff other people already made.
@VinceChaos European roots, American greatness!