Message from @VinceChaos
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"Immigrants" are just a proxy issue meaning POC
@Josh M. -OH yes. And it selected for certain traits over the long term.
@sigruna14 It's important to figure out what our values are. I think this topic does need to be discussed. That being said, we shouldn't let it get too divisive. But I think it's fine right now.
@Sam Southern - TN We aren't an Anglo nation though. English Americans at best make up 15% of the country and most of them are mixed with several different Euro ethnicities. The largest Euro groups in America aren't English.
English Americans make up far more than 15% of the country. Ethnic data is self-reported, and honestly incredibly misleading.
The Founding stock of the nation is Anglo, what it was perverted into after floods of immigrants is indeed a different group. @Virgil
What language are we speaking again? The root and extant core of American whiteness is Englishness
It's very very common for people who are 1/8 Irish, or 1/8 German, to simply identify as that in totality.
@Ald People who are really far left might not care, but it could be a useful nudge
This is an Anglo nation because it was created and defined by Anglos. Everyone else came later after the framework was already built.
It's considered "more distinctive," more interesting- this is notable as a distinction from something, that being from "British," which is considered uninteresting by virtue of its commonality ubiquity.
American founders were at least a different breed of Anglo. It took a lot to get on that boat. Much of the founding fathers views were against what was considered "anglo" at the time.
Yes ^’
They were defending their rights as Englishmen. That's why they rebelled.
If your ancestors were here before 1900 it's going to be pretty difficult for you to not find a single Englishman in your lineage.
@Jacob yes
Half of American population is still descended from people around during the Revolution
Identifying as "English" is uncommon on a census because it's 1) "not interesting" and 2) many of the English in this country have been here for hundreds of years. It's so distant as to be almost meaningless- for the point of contrasting.
Okay guys listen closely
As a child of immigrants, I give you permission to be as anti-immigration as you want.
Also, I was an anchor baby, and I'm giving you permission to say "anchor baby"
It's like those n-cards that your black friends give you
The unique pull of adventure to the new world and the lack of welfare drew a certain kind of European here!
Keep in mind this is a country of *settlers* not immigrants
Faustian spirit
Good example, my father is completely gung-ho about Irish stuff despite being only 1/4 Irish.
Settlers build something new. Immigrants just take advantage of stuff other people already made.
@VinceChaos European roots, American greatness!
My roommate with a mother who has an English accent didn’t consider English to be an ethnicity <:sad:366743316475281408>
It upsets my mom a bit that I identify as Anglo-American and don't snowflake about the recent Swedish component
Yes. I hate the term “Native American.” I’m the Native. My ancestors created America.
Amerindian is the correct term
Englishness is still normative Americanness to the point whites with anything else pick that out
Cause it's special
@Sam Southern - TN I should use that more
Amerindian is good
@Alexander Pechorintheres even more to it than that with evidence the people of European descent were the first to put feet on these lands.
If ancestors founding a nation 400 years ago doesn't qualify me as a native nothing does lol
Kinda like how Elizabeth Warren identifies with her 1/1024th Cherokee
This should be enough reason to be cautious of all immigration
@ThisIsChris I make a point to use it as often as possible to remind people of the difference
study that chart closely