Message from @Jacob
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@Papa Pizzagate Civnats are likely are largest recruiting pool. I'm not trying to purity spiral here and say we shouldn't infiltrate Republicans, I'm just saying we shouldn't delude ourselves that civnats are 80% there.
I might actually be more optimistic than you in this situation, because I do think that we can over time bring people all the way.
@Bjorn - MD is that actually real?
I donโt think everyone needs to be an esoteric evropan to stop globalism and heavily improve our situation
We need the kids that just like Trump and hate leftists.
@Jacob Lol. Yeah. Probably left some stuff out and screwed up the order, but more or less.
(Omitting some ideologies, obviously.)
@Bjorn - MD
>Unironic monarchism to propertarianism
@fgtveassassin distributism is the redpill man
@fgtveassassin Actually not much of a stretch. Most, if not all propertarians are monarchists.
distributist monarchy
@Kingfish I think we assume that our views are more esoteric than they actually are. We'd be liberals compared to the typical American in the 50s.
But, I mean, I don't disagree with you, things can improve over where they are now even if people aren't all the way there.
@Bjorn - MD Gonna be real with you chief, not really sure what Propertarianism was until like 3 minutes ago but it seemed like ancap in a way
I don't think pro white is esoteric at all
I think the way it is portrayed is
lol you might be a liberal compared to a 50's American, not all of us are tho
I think you can tap into pro white sentiment implicitly
once you start preaching Identitiarian theory it gets lost in the weeds. but invoke the secondary level or the effects of a pro white system and its basically trump's campaign platform
Literally "What about White People?"
@fgtveassassin Pretty much. I'm not an authority, but it's a modeled in such a way as to minimize the rise of situations in which the state would be demanded to arbitrate. In other words, to allow for as libertarian a society as possible, while preventing free-riding and other anti-social behavior (i.e. degeneracy), and allowing for a commons.
@Sam Southern - TN eh, I'd say I'm one of the more... "further right" members here, but, I mean, the barrier of entry to get into IE basically requires you to be a liberal from the 50s at the least.
The way Tucker combats the Left's use of Racial politics is in an implicitly pro white way, unlike how "civnats" who typically reject the concept of Identity politics at all go about it
The 50s were already fallen
which is why I'd argue Tucker is not a "civnat" in the derogatory way it is said around here
he is very clearly a far right populist
or as I would just say "nationalist"
I guess it would depend on what you mean by "preaching identitarian theory"
which is all that really has to be said
tucker far right? naw. populist? absolutely.
@fgtveassassin The more I learn about metapolitics and activism, though, at least under the present dispensation, I'd actually say that I'm an unironic illiberal democrat now (with a lower-cased "d") ๐
Well he's not a left wing populist, and third position is pretty much a waste of time to get into
so by default, Far right.
lol he's just right wing, he's not far right by any stretch
I'm not saying we should push racialism on people right away
I'm just saying that we eventually need to move people beyond the ideas that Tucker is allowed to say on Fox
Recruit TERFs
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Obviously you need to get a feel for people and don't throw too much at them at one time
@fgtveassassin Ultimately, the flaws of just about any system can be overcome. The problem is that we've gone centuries (if not millennia) without fully understanding the rules of the game.
I would say there's still a lot more to figure out but I feel most systems could work to extent in a homogenous society
I think first you need to entrench them into their place in the anti globalist (whatever you want to call this) movement, and then push them into a more partisan and passionate reflection of that conviction rather than a more strict ideological position like Identitarian. Just managing to get a lot of the population in support of a wall, getting rid of Daca, visas, and stuff like that will be a massive success on its own