We still need to get rid of this disgusting trash coming out of (((Hollywood))) that demonizes the family and creates heroes out of single mothers.

@Virgil yes but we are not likely to see proper immigration controls in alot of these places anytime in the future, and frankly not ever, at least before the non whites take over fully. I know I'm not having a kid until the situation is safe

@Jonaltright Then you may never have one. This world will never be safe. Never has been.

@sigruna14 I also would have one if I had the $ to live in a white place and cope with the level of anti-whitness of the particular time/region I live in. One paradox of getting red pilled is that while I want kids more, it also made it clear that those kids I want will be increasingly endangered as time goes on. Money does make for safety

I have five kids (4 months, 3,4,5 and 9) Children aren’t as expensive as everyone makes them out to be as long as you have a partner that is responsible with their money. Having children is one of the most rewarding experiences and getting rid of this notion that they are too expensive is one of the ways of driving up the birth rates of whites. We’re too fiscally responsible for our own good.

@Jonaltright The entirety of Central and Eastern Europe, apart from Russia are enforcing strong border controls, most Mediterranean counties like Italy are too and Spain, Greece and Portugal are likely to follow suit in the very near future.

The only countries where immigration is probably going to remain a serious issue are in the Anglo-sphere and Northwest Europe. But even in Northwest Europe, populist parties opposed to mass immigration are the largest opposition parties.

Believe it or not the future is a lot less bleak than a lot of right wing dissidents are painting it. We are winning, but being blackpilled is a self fulfilling prophecy and our opposition wants us to feel that way. Folks when you get blackpilled you give the establishment and the media exactly what they want.

@DaddyPaddy - FL Well said. The biggest joy in life is leading and shaping the next generation. That starts in the home. My three little ones have been raised by a stay at home mother. The expenses are minimal.

@Jonaltright keep your head up.

So @Virgil you said originally that with an increase in wages & proper immigration controls, birthrates will rise. So let me re-word what I stated before: there are no signs of anything close to "proper immigration controls" in most of the West. In Eastern Europe they have controls but none of the economic prosperity.

Bad news on the economic front: there is world wide economic ruin riding on the tail end of Western welfare/pension systems. So I don't know how Eastern Europe will fare as far as that is concerned, but I do know what it looks like from where I am sitting. There will be mass starvation, COMBINED with multi tribal conflict. Our ancestors had one of these conditions or the other, usually not both. They had extensive familial conditions back then , alot of us don't, including myself. I'm not "black pilled", I'm realistic. They also had some kind of a belief in the supernatural, I do not want to get into a discussion here on the subject, but I don't have such a belief. Plus, they didn't have the ability to choose birth control
You have to have enough a combination of these to encourage birth rates:
(Wealth+United racial/ethnic culture+ religious faith)= baby Europeans born. I, and clearly millions of others, don't see it. Just my opinion

Partially the reason I want to get land asap

https://youtu.be/P6HKNez1_AU

I just had a dream this past night that I was with some other people and we were amid some kind of harmful sleeping gas and lying down to sleep, but then at one point I said, this isn't right, and stood up and called 911 in the dream and started taking steps to survive. it was a weird dream but it made me realize I have a survival urge.

@Jonaltright I agree the situation is bleak, but it was also bleak at many points throughout European history. Somehow we found a way to not get annihilated by Muslims at many points in history, not all starve, not all die from and rebuild after the Black Plague, etc.

@Jonaltright well populations are going to decline and in all honesty they're going to need to

With the onset of automation there are going to be less and less jobs to support the people

@apronandlace I agree but your referring to those who did survive. Not the many who could barely feed themselves or who were murdered, or had the same fate befall their offspring. The winners survived, and at no time had access to birth control, doom and gloom statistics on birth rates, self hating media/media indoctrination of their family, etc etc. I'm arguing that the situation we are in is uniquely bad, and where it is going it is worse.

The only way to stop this would be complete automation and 100% governmental support.

Even then it would be impossible, as demonstrated by the mice Utopia experiments

And I agree that populations need to decline. But people looking at this and not feeling safe to have kids are not necessarily being too fiscally conservative or not brave enough

Populations go up and down all the time, its nothing unique, and frankly I don't buy in to the hype that we're below replacement levels

Species and sub species go extinct, become endangered all the time too

>we need an #ecology channel.

@Jonaltright they're just being practical for the most part. I do concur that a big reason why our people are not having as many children is the stigma it now has thanks to the yiddle-diddles

But again, with lower salaries, higher student loan debts, higher costs of living, theres a reason millennials arent having as many children

I want to have kids before 30 tbh, but given rent and student loans, I may have to hold off until that is paid off

I agree on the stigma and yiddle diddles lol. . But as far as conservative and right wing people who would like kids but don't, that's not some moral failing. It's reasonable. Sauron's forces have broken into Gondor. In real life, Frodo doesn't make it to mount Doom. I don't even think Gandalf is like "We need to make babies!"

Anecdotally, my grandma was one of 12 siblings and somehow things worked out.

Again, I'm sure whites will make it in some form. But lots of people are thinking, like me, "I don't think it will be me".

Go full Nike, "just do it" and have 12 huwhite babby.

I'm not saying it's all lost. I'm saying lots of people feel as if it is statistically a low shot for THEM. Which, statistically speaking, that is accurate

I made the mistake of waiting and now I have no children, and am 50 yo

Don't make my mistake (for those that don't already have kids).

OK

I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life, bro.

It was just a conversation.

Sorry that happened to you, for what it's worth, I have no idea who the hell you are : )

Of course brother. I do feel strongly on the subject, no offense taken. I have enough existential dread, can't imagine trading that for fear for my offspring. Don't mind me lol

Cool.

I'm strongly against not having kids, especially for young whites of good character. It's more rewarding and whitepilling than anything else. It will also shift your mind into a gear you'd otherwise not have achieved. Even if you think you "can't hack it" I can tell you from experience that you can.

If your choice is a "moral" one, you've self-selected out of the gene pool and have played right into the marketing of anti-white globalist order. As bad as any cat-lady or incel.

@Virgil I don't know if countries like Poland have as strict of borders as we think

Sure, it's difficult to immigrate from a non-EU country, but, once you get into, say, Germany, there's really nothing stopping you from waltzing on into Poland.

It's not really an issue now, but could be one if Eastern Europe gets more economically developed.

The meme that Poland is a perfect white ethnostate isn’t true