their crime is entering here illegaly yes norman?

How isn't it relevant?

yes

I'm using the same argument you did

and the lowering of wages is the moral charge yes?

i wasnt arguing from the book, i was making a connection to explain it better

I also don't get what you mean by this

Oh

well also they dont have any right to be here. wages is one negative impact

I see so

i believe in objective morality

Could you explain that?

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As in, things are pretty black and white morally speaking?

i dont believe morality is just "whatever the norms of the society are" they are a real thing, as real as math

should the punishment for trespassing be forced labor or death norman?

since that is essentially what there doing

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trespassing carries a fine, which is taking your labor value from you

death is only used for people like rapists and murderers who attempt to come

so you believe that forced labor and or death is a just punishment for the crime of trespassing as defined by the USA?

forced labor yes, essentially (fines and community service). death yes, if it is certain areas that are military related

Fun fact

let me make it clear

i dont want to execute them

but if they try and cross, we should be able to use lethal force to stop them

Most trespassing cases are handled with simple fines and civil law suits

fines are forced labor

Why forced labor though?

if fines are a valid substitute

And very rarely go federally to which prison time is given

the people coming across the border typically wont have money we can take

why not just use fines

the people coming across the border typically wont have money we can take

It’s not forced labor, it’s community service

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okay I agree

And it’s different for everyone

which is forced labor

so

But it’s not unfairly enforced