Message from @Norman

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2020-12-18 22:40:06 UTC  

Morality back then said that we could enslave people because they were black

2020-12-18 22:40:11 UTC  

ok so?

2020-12-18 22:40:21 UTC  

"forced labor yes
deportation yes
death if they are dangerous"

2020-12-18 22:40:21 UTC  

Do you think that doing that isn't immoral?

2020-12-18 22:40:24 UTC  

so

2020-12-18 22:40:33 UTC  

no relevance to present conversation

2020-12-18 22:40:41 UTC  

their crime is entering here illegaly yes norman?

2020-12-18 22:40:44 UTC  

How isn't it relevant?

2020-12-18 22:40:48 UTC  

yes

2020-12-18 22:40:53 UTC  

I'm using the same argument you did

2020-12-18 22:41:03 UTC  

and the lowering of wages is the moral charge yes?

2020-12-18 22:41:11 UTC  

i wasnt arguing from the book, i was making a connection to explain it better

2020-12-18 22:41:11 UTC  

I also don't get what you mean by this

2020-12-18 22:41:20 UTC  

Oh

2020-12-18 22:41:26 UTC  

well also they dont have any right to be here. wages is one negative impact

2020-12-18 22:41:35 UTC  

I see so

2020-12-18 22:41:41 UTC  

i believe in objective morality

2020-12-18 22:41:53 UTC  

Could you explain that?

2020-12-18 22:41:54 UTC  

GG @Benny, you just advanced to level 1!

2020-12-18 22:42:06 UTC  

As in, things are pretty black and white morally speaking?

2020-12-18 22:42:13 UTC  

i dont believe morality is just "whatever the norms of the society are" they are a real thing, as real as math

2020-12-18 22:42:16 UTC  

should the punishment for trespassing be forced labor or death norman?

2020-12-18 22:42:45 UTC  

since that is essentially what there doing

2020-12-18 22:42:45 UTC  

GG @Caesar, you just advanced to level 4!

2020-12-18 22:42:48 UTC  

trespassing carries a fine, which is taking your labor value from you

2020-12-18 22:43:12 UTC  

death is only used for people like rapists and murderers who attempt to come

2020-12-18 22:43:21 UTC  

so you believe that forced labor and or death is a just punishment for the crime of trespassing as defined by the USA?

2020-12-18 22:43:53 UTC  

forced labor yes, essentially (fines and community service). death yes, if it is certain areas that are military related

2020-12-18 22:44:17 UTC  

Fun fact

2020-12-18 22:44:17 UTC  

let me make it clear

2020-12-18 22:44:20 UTC  

i dont want to execute them

2020-12-18 22:44:31 UTC  

but if they try and cross, we should be able to use lethal force to stop them

2020-12-18 22:44:31 UTC  

Most trespassing cases are handled with simple fines and civil law suits

2020-12-18 22:44:39 UTC  

fines are forced labor

2020-12-18 22:44:49 UTC  

Why forced labor though?

2020-12-18 22:45:03 UTC  

if fines are a valid substitute

2020-12-18 22:45:04 UTC  

And very rarely go federally to which prison time is given

2020-12-18 22:45:05 UTC  

the people coming across the border typically wont have money we can take

2020-12-18 22:45:06 UTC  

why not just use fines

2020-12-18 22:45:18 UTC  

the people coming across the border typically wont have money we can take

2020-12-18 22:45:19 UTC  

It’s not forced labor, it’s community service