Message from @Caesar

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2020-12-18 22:44:20 UTC  

i dont want to execute them

2020-12-18 22:44:31 UTC  

but if they try and cross, we should be able to use lethal force to stop them

2020-12-18 22:44:31 UTC  

Most trespassing cases are handled with simple fines and civil law suits

2020-12-18 22:44:39 UTC  

fines are forced labor

2020-12-18 22:44:49 UTC  

Why forced labor though?

2020-12-18 22:45:03 UTC  

if fines are a valid substitute

2020-12-18 22:45:04 UTC  

And very rarely go federally to which prison time is given

2020-12-18 22:45:05 UTC  

the people coming across the border typically wont have money we can take

2020-12-18 22:45:06 UTC  

why not just use fines

2020-12-18 22:45:18 UTC  

the people coming across the border typically wont have money we can take

2020-12-18 22:45:19 UTC  

It’s not forced labor, it’s community service

2020-12-18 22:45:19 UTC  

GG @itsme, you just advanced to level 2!

2020-12-18 22:45:25 UTC  

okay I agree

2020-12-18 22:45:25 UTC  

And it’s different for everyone

2020-12-18 22:45:25 UTC  

which is forced labor

2020-12-18 22:45:27 UTC  

so

2020-12-18 22:45:36 UTC  

But it’s not unfairly enforced

2020-12-18 22:45:43 UTC  

There’s regulations and codes

2020-12-18 22:45:43 UTC  

norman just to get this clear since I dont wanna mis-represent you

2020-12-18 22:45:46 UTC  

forced labor doesnt imply "unfair"

2020-12-18 22:45:56 UTC  

the objective is to get money from them right?

2020-12-18 22:46:02 UTC  

no its to keep them out

2020-12-18 22:46:10 UTC  

Your word choice posses a negative connection

2020-12-18 22:46:15 UTC  

but to get money from them if they come

2020-12-18 22:46:21 UTC  

money is used to offset those who slip through, and to deter

2020-12-18 22:46:28 UTC  

I see

2020-12-18 22:46:29 UTC  

so

2020-12-18 22:46:29 UTC  

When you commit a crime and you can’t pay the fine you go into debt to the gov

2020-12-18 22:46:36 UTC  

Community services isn’t you working for free

2020-12-18 22:46:40 UTC  

You’re paying off debt

2020-12-18 22:46:41 UTC  

would the best way to get cash from the not be

2020-12-18 22:46:47 UTC  

i think it would be better to just force labor on them, especially if they arent a citizen

2020-12-18 22:46:50 UTC  

to give them citizenship and collect taxes?

2020-12-18 22:47:00 UTC  

again we dont want them here in the first place

2020-12-18 22:47:04 UTC  

its not about the money

2020-12-18 22:47:08 UTC  

And the work is never going to endanger those working

2020-12-18 22:47:11 UTC  

It’s regulated

2020-12-18 22:47:22 UTC  

the money is a deterrent, and something nice which offsets the damage of them

2020-12-18 22:47:38 UTC  

okay If I may

2020-12-18 22:47:40 UTC  

I’m really confused by your stance on this position

2020-12-18 22:47:46 UTC  

what exactly is "the damage of them"