norman just to get this clear since I dont wanna mis-represent you

forced labor doesnt imply "unfair"

the objective is to get money from them right?

no its to keep them out

Your word choice posses a negative connection

but to get money from them if they come

money is used to offset those who slip through, and to deter

I see

so

When you commit a crime and you can’t pay the fine you go into debt to the gov

Community services isn’t you working for free

You’re paying off debt

would the best way to get cash from the not be

i think it would be better to just force labor on them, especially if they arent a citizen

to give them citizenship and collect taxes?

again we dont want them here in the first place

its not about the money

And the work is never going to endanger those working

It’s regulated

the money is a deterrent, and something nice which offsets the damage of them

okay If I may

I’m really confused by your stance on this position

what exactly is "the damage of them"

they suppress wages and steal jobs, they drive up housing costs, they make the culture worse, they vote democrat, they fill up the school systems, they cause crime, etc.

Ohhh

okay ima take this point by point

Illegal immigration

i also oppose legal immigration but that is another issue

as for the crime

Many countries don’t take immigrants which is kinda confusing

for good reason

first generation imigrants commit less crime than their native born counterparts

this shits been studied

for most of history, in order to immigrate to another country you had to defeat them in wat

fake news

Most of our countries immigrants where Irish and German at first

okay and?

i hate irish too

and contested

they looked at arrest rates, not crimes

When the US was a new country Mexico actually despised us, we fought over land but never over immigration and now it’s the opposite lmaoo