I don't want to end up like Turkey. kthx.

@AdamS The military ought to remain apolitical but it will not. It is comprised of humans and they are a political species.

@james j right i cant answer that question if i dont have anything to judge him on, is there anything close to a crime that he has done?

Turkey has lots of cats.

@james j do you have a single reference that i could look at? or are we just going to play its possible he did something game?

That's essentially an ad-hom argument. You can't dismiss every point by attacking the source. At some point, a fact is a fact. In this case, they cite the source of the numbers.

One would hope they abide by the laws at least.

I'm pretty sure the military is unable to get involved due to numerous reasons.

When the founder of the KGB was asked why he had Lenin assassinated, he replied, "who needs revolutionaries after the revolution is won?"

Hasn't the military been involved since Trump started replacing everyone in the Pentagon

@AdamS In my experience, they will cover by use of law where possible and find a patsy where admissable.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin-powell-knew-about-iraq-fifteen-years-ago-and-what-he-told-the-un/

@Dedkraken No.

@ImNotGas I just want a simple yes or no based on what you know. It’s a easy question. Just say no if you don’t think it’s likely based on what you know or yes based on what you know

Wasnt it Rob Mueller and Don Rumsfeld who lied to the American public about there being weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Back in 2001?

@james j i think you can figure it out for yourself smart guy

Yes

@Maw The military ought not get involved unless compelled by their oath. That will become the key question at some point. And that will mean civil war is inevitable at that point.

> Hasn't the military been involved since Trump started replacing everyone in the Pentagon
@Dedkraken How dare you suggest that's exactly what one should expect from someone 'leaving his options open' to sieze power.

Very true.

@ImNotGas I just want to see if you are willing to answer a question directly , lots of gish galloping for a simple question that I guess needed multiple clarifications

its not a simple question because i dont know what behavior im supposed to be jduging

We don't talk about civil war here, nor really entertain the idea. It's dangerous discussion that is 1) Not useful and 2) Produces results further distancing people from one another.

"YEs or no do you believe something possibly happened?"

the hell kind of question is that

But to be fair the CIA had previously supplied Iraq with weapons and didn't know where they went...

@Adam135 Not exactly. The only nation that didn't think Iraq had WMD was France - and well, no one trusted French intelligence. It would have helped if Hussein had not been bluffing about their development and use as a deterrent to the aggression of his neighbors.

After Borat I'm sure Guiliani done some crap 🤣

Iraq was always going to happen. The oil is too lucrative.

Any behavior or knowledge you have been able to garner about Giuliani, do you think based on your knowledge if it’s unlikely or likely that he would want to seek a pardon for something he may be worried about. Again I’m not asking about what you know I am asking based on what you know . A simple yes or no @ImNotGas

@Whithers if Iraq had WMD we would not have invaded full stop. Thats why iran and north korea still exist. and why gaddafi got killed as soon as they gave them up

I'm not dismissing the number, the number is the most important part of the story and should have been the lead, weeks ago.

To be fair, massaging your junk in that exact situation doesn't make you a criminal. Just a filthy scumbag.

You seem to take the position that this is unlikely that Giuliani would seek a pardon which is why I am asking @ImNotGas

@AdamS That is assuming oil isn't a cover for other issues. Never trust the report of motive to be actual when dealing with a psyops scenario.

I can agree with this statement.

It's pretty bad if you think shes underage

America’s thirst for oil is never ending, only other advantage is power and influence in the region. Which has withered away.

@AdamS I can only discuss method of analysis not content. What you agree with may or may not be valid.

I think we could have easily known that there were no more WMD's. Hussein had used chemical weapons against his neighbors in the past. The fear of him using them again was the only thing keeping them at bay. Had he not been coy about still having them publicly, his enemies might have taken him out for us. I think he played a game of chicken for a long time and was in a no-win situation.

If you think America isn't an influence powerhouse still, you put way too much stake in foreign policy.