We need to know what capacity is left.

Just pointing out that a repeal of S230 without a plan on how to transition would be nightmarish. Social Media platforms will be forced to censor everyone to protect themselves or no one, which means everything is fair game - bullying, doxing, porn, revenge porn...

below 15 is dramatic, because if you have, for instance, a pile up, you might be faced with a full ICU, and ICU-pts typically cant wait.

@inwa

I don’t need to do that to have my position though, however, you have to show evidence to support your claim that all cases are without merit. I am simply stating we don’t know enough information and its not reasonable to say either option. Any state with these problems should wait to send electors until they have had deliberation about it.

@inwa we are in the wrong room. If you want more intensive care information, please move to general-chat

Trump said dems should add 24 scotus justices

I like the cut of his jib

Could they get around this by being a club? Charging a nominal membership fee?

Covers what he thinks the supreme Court should address in the Pennsylvania case and how important the Georgia runoff elections are for Senate control https://youtu.be/t09LedmB_90

He also said his followers are so bad at geography they dont know where Puerto Rico and washington DC are

be closed:
Indoor and Outdoor Playgrounds
Indoor Recreational Facilities
Hair Salons and Barbershops
Personal Care Services
Museums, Zoos, and Aquariums
Movie Theaters
Wineries
Bars, Breweries and Distilleries
Family Entertainment Centers
Cardrooms and Satellite Wagering
Limited Services
Live Audience Sports
Amusement Parks

This is not a lockdown

What does this have to do with capitalism? Democracy isn't necessary in any other system.

Great points, I wouldn’t call for overruling the will of the people, only that in light of everything, that will is not clear enough and the election was close enough to warrant caution moving forward. There is no harm in being pragmatic about it. The other thing, a decentralized system doesn’t need to have much if any coordination at all. It doesn’t need a mastermind. Book recommendation if you have time to help outline this concept is “the starfish and the spider”. Thanks!

Here in OC, we are down to 13.1%.

That's my understanding.

Checking in;

> @TaLoN132 The will of the voters should not be overruled on a suspicion.
100% agree with you here. I think the current plan being pushed for is if a certain number of legislatures do not select their electors by the safe harbor deadline, it will give time for the cases to push ahead while neither candidate reaches 270. GA may be an exception to this rule, and to be honest, I think they have enough evidence on the table to switch their votes. According to their state law, they have to send electors, should they opt to follow it. Even Guliani argued that they can sort of rule to do whatever they like in regards to selecting electors, though, so they may break state law and opt for a constitutional power.
In PA, the electors gave their power over to the governor to do this, again by state law. Scotus is in position to hear if the judiciary ruling broke their own constitution, I think there's a strong case that the safe harbor deadline isn't as relevant as the assembly of electors is on the 14th.
WI, NV, MI, and AZ I think may or may not opt to do this, whatever they publicly say or not. "Read my lips; no new taxes" may be the name of the game, and then the Trump team et. all gets a new date that the state legislatures then have the ability to send electors of their choosing.

Just closing something places. For 2 3 weeks while the cases go "down"

Exactly, no one that is being reasonable is making an argument to overrule the will of the people. Those cases will go no where.

I think it's fairly reasonable to say "Shit, we may not know the will of the people, but lets let things play out and find out." by not issuing electors by Dec. 8th.

Right? But hopefully it doesn’t come to that. There is plenty of time and there mechanics still at play to alleviate that burden. Looking at Dec 9th and January 3rd for key dates.

There are means to correct the issue by Jan. 3rd, but I don't think people will be too happy if they come to find out another month later "Oh shit there was fraud!" because I think people assume that the electors choose the next president and it's a done deal.

@Recalibar The longer it takes the worse the consequences. The problem is the two sides are doubling down with money they don’t have.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2435972/somalia-force-posture-announcement/

Clearly the actions of a tyrant.

Honestly I voted for him specifically to end foreign conflicts. Glad I got what I asked for.

The law of unintended consequences?

Trump out lefts the left on foreign policy.

Democrats...

I wanted the partisan court system to be balanced out which has been accomplished. Unfortunately I know of no way to “unpartisan” the courts so that was the next best thing.

My point about needing a mastermind is that to successful pull off something like this requires planning and coordination. So far, no one has been caught red-handed. Nobody has been arrested... and believe me, we would know. There would be a POTUS tweet nanoseconds after the arrest. So, to be decentralized they would all have been able to pull it off equally as well.

Now... keep in mind that a small team of operatives with extensive experience were unable to successfully break into the Watergate Hotel to remove evidence without getting caught - and the whole MAGA Nation was not alerted ahead of time that they were going to do it, where it would happen, and standing around in force waiting for it to happen. But... regular people fueled by their hatred of Trump somehow summoned their inner-ninjas and pulled it off with nobody getting caught.

And that is more likely than the possible confirmation bias that would cause people to assume malfeasance where they otherwise would never have considered.

A decentralized approach to ballot Fraud would included loosened laws and rules to identifying if voters are legal or not, making it harder for honest workers to throw out ballots they think are illegal, and removing scrutiny from 3rd parties over these processes.

You're a blind partisan if you think none of this happened.

Not only that, but it happened most in the states with the smallest margins

I think you know better than that...

The question is really at what scale?

@Corndog The Burden isnt on people to show fraud didn’t occur. I’m not sure how you got there. I just look at what’s being presented and so far amounts to nothing of significance.

Massive ballot fraud doesn't scale well.

Especially coordinated fraud at the alleged levels.

I outlined my thoughts starting here: https://discordapp.com/channels/760945067107680286/771201221145919499/784832307219136612

I disagree, I think you may be misunderstanding how a decentralized system works. Planning and coordination is not a requirement in a decentralized system. While that may take place, it is not the way you would expect to see it looking from centralized point of view, which is certainly easier to prosecute because everyone understands it without explanation. You will find these things equivalent to AI code, or the way the Apache society functioned for example.

@TaLoN132 is a phisher of users?