Message from @jfindley

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2020-12-07 18:34:33 UTC  

How long til those two are disbarred?

2020-12-07 18:35:42 UTC  

It would have to be malfeasance or something. They're just morons.

2020-12-07 18:36:30 UTC  

they're not going to be disbarred ... at least not for what we've seen so far in court

2020-12-07 18:37:09 UTC  

Fair point. Who knows that they were doing behind the scenes to put these case crackers together. Lol

2020-12-07 18:38:10 UTC  

I don't think they were that out of line just incompetent

2020-12-07 18:38:58 UTC  

Does anyone have an estimate of how much all these suits have cost?

2020-12-07 18:38:58 UTC  

@jfindley, you just advanced to level 9!

2020-12-07 18:39:23 UTC  

How much they cost or how much they are robbing trump supporters?

2020-12-07 18:39:39 UTC  

It may begin to make sense if you consider for a moment that President Trump telling his supporters for 7 months that there would be massive fraud created an environment where by 11/3 it was a forgone conclusion that the fix was in. On the other side, Dems were certain he would claim victory before the mail-in votes were counted and election workers were on edge anticipating delay tactics by Trump's supporters. It created a perfect storm.

Trump's supporters saw every act as a potential attempt at fraud, every worker as a potential suspect, and every ballot as being illegal until proven otherwise. Poll and election workers were on edge because they were working in a fish bowl and perceived that every interaction was an attempt to prevent them from getting work done.

We have dueling confirmation biases that ended up amplifying each other.

2020-12-07 18:39:47 UTC  

Just the cost.

2020-12-07 18:40:11 UTC  

That's hard to say but way less than the hundreds of millions they got

2020-12-07 18:40:47 UTC  

They arent going to say publically lol

2020-12-07 18:40:53 UTC  

So are affidavits not strong evidence?

2020-12-07 18:40:56 UTC  

not robbery, they gave money voluntary

2020-12-07 18:41:04 UTC  

Yeah, I'm just ball-parking here based on gross assumptions and complete fabrication of numbers in many places, but I'd figure somewhere in the 10-20 million range, grand total.

2020-12-07 18:41:52 UTC  

You can have people give you money voluntarily from a scam and be robbing then. This is legal but I mean ethical robbery

2020-12-07 18:42:55 UTC  

Televangelists. Nothing more.

2020-12-07 18:43:04 UTC  

In every sense.

2020-12-07 18:43:17 UTC  

Salvation is at hand!
(send money)

2020-12-07 18:43:37 UTC  

it is evidence, yes ... the strength of which is determined in court under cross-examination ... of course that would be done in trial and first the case must survive the pre-trial motion hearings

2020-12-07 18:43:40 UTC  

What I'm really curious to know, is... Does our POTUS and these hot-shot lawyers really take what they find on the 'chans, and run with it to the tune of publicly humiliating themselves while raking in tons of money?

I mean, is that really how all of this work? "The 'chans say fraud happened. Let's sue literally_everybody and make a big show of it."

2020-12-07 18:44:04 UTC  

Alot of info

2020-12-07 18:44:33 UTC  

Affidavits is just testimony they arent under actual threat of perjury. They can run the gambit from UFO abductions to internet comments to complaining to a manager at Jcpenney to eyewitness to a crime to an expert in a field. Perjury comes in when you like intentionally lie in a murder trial or something.

2020-12-07 18:45:30 UTC  

They haven't presented any evidence... They're doing their damnedest to not. Pretty sure they're just grifters who know they've got nothing but aggregation of other better law suits. Which means they'll never be disbarred since their claims won't be falsified in court.

2020-12-07 18:45:37 UTC  

yep and the guy appointed by Trump to look at all this the last 4 years was fired when his conclusions weren't the ones that Trump desired

2020-12-07 18:46:07 UTC  

They have put forward witnesses and experts in some of these

2020-12-07 18:46:28 UTC  

Yeah, and then appealed before they could have an evidentiary hearing.

2020-12-07 18:47:01 UTC  

Grifters gonna grift. I say, God bless.

2020-12-07 18:47:05 UTC  

Do you have an example when that took place?

2020-12-07 18:47:27 UTC  

They still said heres out experts heres their qualifications and studies and statements judge it on its merit

2020-12-07 18:47:55 UTC  

The only evidentiary hearing I'm aware of is the one in PA where the judge granted it along with an injunction on certification, but then a circuit judge tossed that decision.

2020-12-07 18:48:26 UTC  

I think AZ they had witnesses come up I saw

2020-12-07 18:48:27 UTC  

(or PA SC tossed it, and circuit agreed)

2020-12-07 18:48:40 UTC  
2020-12-07 18:49:38 UTC  

Those debates did not go the GOPs way

2020-12-07 18:50:16 UTC  

@meglide he has to fire the whole agency.. because Trump's campaign claims that there was Fraud .. CISA says is all rumors..

2020-12-07 18:51:17 UTC  

So is this a ploy to get it to SCOTUS to show evidence or is this all they have?

2020-12-07 18:51:35 UTC  

And again thank you so much for the thoughtful explanations. I truly appreciate it

2020-12-07 18:52:02 UTC  

Scotus might pick up the PA case the other ones they are just saying take this junk to state court

2020-12-07 18:53:01 UTC  

Affidavits of rudeness and vote counting the want to be federal not working out