Not necessarily... Things can get weird, sometimes. https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-day-abraham-lincoln-was-elected-president

Also, @Recalibar, I don't think potential damage is all that important at this particular moment. Trump is not an ideal candidate by any stretch of the imagination, whereas Biden is a proxy for the Chinese Communist Party, and belongs in prison.

Any step we take from this point further is yet another blow to liberty, though the degree in which that blow is felt varies based on who wins the election. Trump being the lesser blow, and Biden being the likely fatal blow.

Sammy should cite where he is getting that dialogue instead of just asserting it

The bottom line, @DrSammyD is that so far several of their claims have been established as false. Nothing in the only investigative report suggests that they were told it was done.

To say "Well, the report might say that they were not told to leave but it doesnt say that an employee didn't say they were finished" is not evidence.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So just because the report does not specifically address that does not mean its an admission.

Additionally, the report did say:
"They simply left on their own when they saw one group of workers, whose job was only to open envelopes and who had completed that task, aisles leave.”

Do you think that maybe one of the employees that had "completed their task" (the ones opening envelopes) did say they were done?

It could be that they asked one of the employees opening the envelopes if they were done for the the and the employee honestly and correctly answered "Yes. We are done opening the envelopes for the night."

I have to show ID just to buy a pack of cigarettes. I have never had a problem showing ID when necessary. It's the ones that claim getting an ID is too hard/difficult that's an excuse I can't buy.

Now, my money is on Biden not getting his electors. Because it's already looking like there was significant fraud and *If I were a legislator* the last thing I would like to do right now is be honest about my intentions of going "against the """"will of the people""""" Because any legislator right now would be subjected to *nuclear bombardment* from the media/BLM/ANTIFA etc if they even suggested doing something other than sending Biden electors.

Imagine the media *setting their hair on fire* and BLM setting cities on fire if they heard a whiff of it.

No they were told they were done counting for the night via phone call I thnk you even see one get the call then they told everyone else hey we done. Then later secretary called manager whom called poll worker said keep working so they kept working. That's the story.

@HappyHappyHappy, you just advanced to level 4!

I've done mail in for several years. It's a convenience. But I'd do awaybwith that to have a fair election.

@ShortCircuit so what , I said paid for state voter ID. Perhaps required by law for you to have. We should really have a system like Australia where everyone is forced to vote.

That helps election security along greatly

Yea, it's truly unfortunate to see that happening. I feel like a nut ball when I tell my mom to stop watching mainstream media... lol... but truth is, a lot of people are scared with all the violence that has already taken place this year, and of coarse no one wants to be harassed, or physically harmed.

Wrong. Again (I know it's been mentioned above) the woman in charge of the election process at the center that night told mainstream reporters at the facility that counting was ceasing for the night. Go back and look at different Tweets from NBC, ABC, CNN reporters that night.

INSANE https://twitter.com/jennaellisesq/status/1336120096377479170?s=12

@everyone But I thought the media reported all lies. Pick a lane, bro.

They better put a FISA on Biden and Kamala

Right. You saw the *stream* of people that called into the MI canvass zoom meetings suddenly becoming experts in MI law when they think that the Canvassers might call for a proper audit.

I'm shocked that they have some of these folks in places of power around the US... it should be a requirement for anyone who wants to run for these positions to have a substantial background and knowledge of history and economics... since they're the ones making decisions for the masses, they can at least do it with a brain.

@Cali La La that was the plan for the Trump team, never to actually prove fraud, just make a bunch of bogus claims so their base can eat it up and continue their support. There is no evidence of fraud just 6 months of suggesting that will be and is. This is enough to to half the people to ignore the actually results . Now the base thinks rain from the sky is evidence of fraud

@DrSammyD - I said early on that there could be some confusion on the part of the watchers.
It is completely feasible that an employee who was opening envelopes told them:

"Yeah. My team is done we are packing up to leave." Referring to opening the envelopes.

IF this happened it would have been a TRUE statement. That is not a fraudulent or misleading statement... assuming it was even made.

Ha! Yes, everyone is an 'expert' when it comes to things that put them in a certain light.

Conspiracy theorists claim that they're under the carrot/stick of CCP operatives. I put that in the category of "unlikely but plausable" except in Brian Kemp's case.

The problem I see with is they subverted the system under the guise of covid to rig an election. This should be clear tti every American's eyes but people won't, or don't want to see the truth. MASS COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!

Much like these “expert witnesses” who’s statistical models have huge glaring issues

I don't agree with you, but I understand why you say that. I think the truth should come out either way... and after watching you talking to everyone in this room, I know I won't change your mind, and I won't argue with you.

@jbird this the conspiracy, the government is evil . So there is no solution

@Cali La La yeah but you still believe what you see being brought forth is actually evidence and not just unverifiable stories.

@jfindley that’s some heavy sh%^ but I can see that happening. Either way it’s not going to be resolved ‘ascetically’ . Very discouraging... thanks for the insight!

I agree with the comment last wk somehow attach voting to our bank account pay a dollar vote and your vote goes into say trumps account or really should only be a penny but you see the point. How can they claim fraud and no one even has to leave their house😘

I imagine that the scenario where Biden is deemed illegitimate leading to a Presidency with Nancy Pelozi is entirely possible as well.

Yea... I think there is definitely some far fetched stories floating around. You kinda have to take most of them with a grain of salt. I'm interested in the numbers people and statistics... I'm still fascinated with the Colonel Waldron testimony.... that guy seems legit, and says when he doesn't know something, so he's not just trying to make it sound like everything is all fraud, but could be an error either way.

Depending on what happens with SCOTUS (if anything), if they rule against the constitutionality in the changes made in Act 77, that could have a domino effect in other states where the same type of overstep has occurred.

@ShortCircuit, you just advanced to level 3!

Exactly

Only to speak out, act up, and forcefully take back our rights, thru every feasible method. But first people have to see reality as it is to understand the game.

I do see some of these things as evidence, but not all of the things that have been proven, and not all of these things have been disproven. If everyone is innocent until proven guilty, then why can't we take what the witnesses state and then investigate their stories? It seems like anyone would want to do that, instead of blindly dismissing everyone who speaks just because that sounds crazy to them... crazy things happen sometimes.

@Cali La La have you looked at the rebuttals of col waldrens testimony. He can’t back up a single claim , hence it’s just stories

Yeah we're not doing the 'forcefully' anything thing here.

No. Your interpretation does not square with the statements to their boss. The bins were ballots already removed from envelops much earlier, and they had packed up and put those under the table when they thought they were done, packing up and ready to leave. They then brought them out to count because they were no longer done, not because they had planned to be done except for counting the ballots in those boxes.

Yes I have. He said he would need access to the machines and software to gather more intel to answer the questions they had.