Message from @Autumn_Katrina

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2020-12-10 03:44:05 UTC  

> @TaLoN132 The problem is we cannot assess accurately which elections are legitimate and which are not. We only know that we noticed this time.
@Whithers how convenient

2020-12-10 03:44:22 UTC  

@Autumn_Katrina of everyone was their own YouTube

2020-12-10 03:44:33 UTC  

> I will say the guy likely broke youtube terms of service quite frequently...
@busillis Hahaha ya think?

2020-12-10 03:44:48 UTC  

@Autumn_Katrina if Dam it

2020-12-10 03:44:52 UTC  

I think the Supreme Court may deal with the state administration changing election rules versus the state legislation but I don't think they'll touch the whole did the state legislature make a unconstitutional (via the state constitution) law issue

2020-12-10 03:45:00 UTC  

Yeah...

2020-12-10 03:46:06 UTC  

Process over outcome. Without the carrot of remedy, you rarely get the effort for pursuit.

2020-12-10 03:46:22 UTC  

@TaLoN132 I think the one aspect intersects with the US Constitution and the other is internal to the state and I don't see SCOTUS touching that second one

2020-12-10 03:46:26 UTC  

YouTube become a distribution platform for all mainstream content created by large media companies.

2020-12-10 03:46:34 UTC  

Makes sense... I think it comes down to standing and remedy. I still wonder if and of the states will countersue TX for pre-election voter suppressio - removing drop boxes and such.

2020-12-10 03:47:39 UTC  

@TaLoN132 in practice does the other states joining the case add more weight to it or not?

2020-12-10 03:47:50 UTC  

well TX argument will be that the state legislature didn't authorize it so couldn't have extra drop boxes

2020-12-10 03:48:32 UTC  

@Zuluzeit Actually, it is rather not convenient at all.

2020-12-10 03:48:34 UTC  

Heh, that would be actually enforcing the legislature, the opposite of their accusations, so it might bolster their case.

2020-12-10 03:49:02 UTC  

@markmen Ok, I'm now 7 minutes behind, and i tihnk I get what your saying now. Yeah, what @busillis and i were talking about was how present day events (as I see them) resemble a psyops which a 1990's hacker group called Cult of the Dead Cow discussed on UseNet 25 years ago. And one of their members has been in federal cyber security since about the mid-Bush administration. Other key CotDC members have been moving around different parts of the deep state and both major political parties for years. When you also separate the current Republican Party into "always been GOP" vs. "used to be Reform, Libertarian, or Independant Party" things start to look very interesting. I think we are watching a psyops play out, and right now Criminals in the DNC are the targets.

2020-12-10 03:49:04 UTC  

They apparently had been there before. The Governor decided that they only needed one for county and removed the rest. Houston had like 5m residents sharing 1 drop box.

2020-12-10 03:50:50 UTC  

I don't know. I am guessing it shouldn't matter, but who knows? I think that Trump intervention might have more of an impact, because he is more impacted than anyone. That's just my commonsense read to it. I have no legal training to speak of to have a fully educated opinion.

2020-12-10 03:51:58 UTC  

Harris county was constantly encroaching and performing hostile incorporations of the surrounding areas when I lived there.

2020-12-10 03:52:18 UTC  

I have no legal training to speak of to have a fully educated opinion.

@TaLoN132 Then you're in excellent company.

2020-12-10 03:52:27 UTC  

You had pockets of towns that had to go through great lengths to block it.

2020-12-10 03:52:59 UTC  

@Zuluzeit (ok, I'm responding to your comment from 13 minutes ago, as I've said to the others I'm lagging) yes, that's exactly my point. The issue is people need to start lookign into how easy it is to just set up their own platform, then major social media would be surrounded by competitors, and censorship would not be an issue...however, section 230 becomes a problem because it allows one to police w/o being policed ... it's remove would return us to the original situation, one is responsible to the extent one is not involved. Thus responsibility would bear a direct relationship to accountability.

2020-12-10 03:55:45 UTC  

@Autumn_Katrina it would be so cool to see them bagged

2020-12-10 03:56:11 UTC  

@Autumn_Katrina I gotchu. Misunderstood your contention...slightly.

2020-12-10 03:58:01 UTC  

I think that some part of the SCOTUS decision will be to weigh in on whether extenuating circumstances like the understanding that a pandemic could factor into whether the state's appointed election officials would be able to make certain temporary accommodations for their citizens under sweeping responsibilities given to ensure free and safe elections. I think there is a case to be made for it and it might be a way out for them. Governments are often granted extraordinary powers in times of crises. I think it will also matter the timing of the changes - were they reasonable when they were enacted versus what we might think now.

2020-12-10 03:59:44 UTC  

@TaLoN132 that certainly will the defense

2020-12-10 04:00:05 UTC  

Will be dam it

2020-12-10 04:00:32 UTC  

Will trump supporters accept scouts response if they denied the case . Like how in the beginning they said “courts decide”

2020-12-10 04:00:33 UTC  

so the SCOTUS case is not a fraud case it's a procedural case ... it is alleged that the states didn't follow the US Constitution in running their election and thus infringed upon the voters in the states that did ... there is no allegation of fraud

2020-12-10 04:01:09 UTC  

It supposes that there was fraud and that their states were injured

2020-12-10 04:01:17 UTC  

I don’t see it as a viable case

2020-12-10 04:01:23 UTC  

There is fraud but ‘not enough’ to overturn

2020-12-10 04:01:47 UTC  

If they focus on the state constitution they have no case at all

2020-12-10 04:01:52 UTC  

Not a federal issue

2020-12-10 04:01:59 UTC  

That was the ruling in the AZ suit

2020-12-10 04:02:36 UTC  

Not necessarily fraud but ‘mistakes’

2020-12-10 04:02:38 UTC  

The az suit found .03 error in the audit

2020-12-10 04:02:50 UTC  

On 100 ballots

2020-12-10 04:02:50 UTC  

Or something

2020-12-10 04:02:57 UTC  

No they did a thousand or so

2020-12-10 04:03:03 UTC  

But on 1500 .05

2020-12-10 04:03:04 UTC  

They found 2 in the 100