Message from @ophiuchus

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2019-01-29 04:15:01 UTC  

or else saying that even if something were true, we shouldn't think about it

2019-01-29 04:16:18 UTC  

Knowing, and being able to argue the opponents arguments, is what makes us sharp.

2019-01-29 04:16:44 UTC  

I actually remember when I was more liberal I watched a debate between Tommy Robinson and some black rapper and came into it sympathetic to the black guy. Tommy Robinson kept asking him "what did I say that was racist?" and I was like "what *did* he say that was racist?". It was still a while before I switched sides but even then I was starting to question.

2019-01-29 04:17:19 UTC  

I found it really silly that he was just evading the question

2019-01-29 04:20:07 UTC  

To be honest I still get that feeling when I see the way some people on our side argue. Like I'll say "libtard" amongst ourselves as a joke but irl that's a pretty shitty way to talk to people.

2019-01-29 04:20:45 UTC  

Being proficient at debate is similar to finding and exploring the falsifiability of a scientific hypothesis. Staying ahead of the opponent by stating and countering arguments before they say them.

2019-01-29 04:21:48 UTC  

Absolutely. Another thing we're wanting to do eventually is set up mock debates on the Literature server where one of us plays devil's advocate.

2019-01-29 04:22:21 UTC  

Yeah I was part of the discussion last night (listening). I’m in.

2019-01-29 04:23:02 UTC  

IE debate team?

2019-01-29 04:23:25 UTC  

The first meet up I went to had a hot-seat style thing where one guy was being questioned by the rest of us as hostile journalists

2019-01-29 04:23:39 UTC  

that's actually pretty clever

2019-01-29 04:24:18 UTC  

@ophiuchus so do you think it would still be a good idea to send people to Red Ice, or would it be an issue that they see a debunking video and think "oh it's been debunked"

2019-01-29 04:24:31 UTC  

The one guy was so good you'd have thought he was actually an SPLC/antifa journo

2019-01-29 04:26:44 UTC  

I've yet to talk to someone who actually has a rational argument against a wall, I either get "Because" "What about boats/ladders"

2019-01-29 04:27:13 UTC  

does anyone genuinely believe that argument or do they know it's just a talking point?

2019-01-29 04:27:21 UTC  

@Jacob very much depends on the person

2019-01-29 04:27:26 UTC  

because I feel like it's pretty obvious that the wall would slow them down

2019-01-29 04:27:38 UTC  

Or the classis "Americans commit crimes too" like wtf I never knew that open the border

2019-01-29 04:27:58 UTC  

My point on 'You just get a ladder to get over the wall' is this:

2019-01-29 04:28:01 UTC  

“We can’t prevent 100% of crime so might as well not prevent any”

2019-01-29 04:28:08 UTC  

0/10 argument

2019-01-29 04:28:10 UTC  

Go back in time to east berlin and tell the people living there 'its just a wall bro'

2019-01-29 04:28:16 UTC  

Not that easy

2019-01-29 04:28:21 UTC  

Generally the real argument against the wall falls back on the craftier ilk who don’t care about the browning of America.

2019-01-29 04:28:32 UTC  

The ladder idea is dumb for so many reasons its ridiculous

2019-01-29 04:28:34 UTC  

@nord yo just use tunnels bruh lmao

2019-01-29 04:28:34 UTC  

@Jacob I think the mock debates are a great idea!

2019-01-29 04:29:02 UTC  

They did debates (over two contradictory directions for identitarians) at Amren some of the years at conferences; they're interesting to watch

2019-01-29 04:29:09 UTC  

“Seatbelts don’t prevent 100% of auto deaths so no more seatbelts”

2019-01-29 04:29:15 UTC  

Mock debates/rhetoric hot seats are a good way to tighten rhetoric and talking points in a safe environment where you can adjust things

2019-01-29 04:29:27 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/539663344919904266/image0.jpg

2019-01-29 04:29:36 UTC  

Oh god Spencer and Taylor in the same room <:nervous:359009898115104770>

2019-01-29 04:30:06 UTC  

Spencer and Taylor used to meet pretty often

2019-01-29 04:31:09 UTC  

Its much better to have your boys critique your points than have some journo ruin your life over it, even little things could be huge to them

2019-01-29 04:31:55 UTC  

He used to ask some really good questions a few years back. What happened to Spencer is actually a tradegy for our people. So much wasted potential.

2019-01-29 04:32:07 UTC  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frU21i9CJKI

Can some of you guys watch this video and tell me if you think it would actually persuade anyone? Because I personally find it obnoxious and lacking any actual arguments, but I'm not sure how someone unfamiliar with our talking points would feel.

2019-01-29 04:32:15 UTC  

@ophiuchus you should check this if you have time ^

2019-01-29 04:32:24 UTC  

I watched a video today in which Taylor and Gavin McInnes talked about having dinner together over the course of multiple years.

2019-01-29 04:32:38 UTC  

@Jacob I’ll peep and DM u

2019-01-29 04:32:42 UTC  

thanks