White people look for how minorities react before listening to race debates.

I agree with that @ophiuchus

Dude if I could break one single thing in the normie consciousness it would be “being outraged =/= being correct”

“Hispanics outraged that some news anchor said they almost all become democrats”

They vote for Democrats 8/2, being outraged doesn’t mean something isn’t true

God ree

@Jacob good for you for watching debunking videos!

I try to do that

We're actually thinking of reading anti identitarian literature in the book club and discussing how we would respond to it

Smart

it's pretty important to encourage open discourse and not live in an ideological ghetto

Although the arguments are usually "supremacist"

And hate

*yawn

i read this thing that tried to debunk Jared Taylor and race science, and didn't find anything I couldn't argue against (https://archive.fo/TqLbH)

a lot of the arguments are semantic

in general

or else saying that even if something were true, we shouldn't think about it

Knowing, and being able to argue the opponents arguments, is what makes us sharp.

I actually remember when I was more liberal I watched a debate between Tommy Robinson and some black rapper and came into it sympathetic to the black guy. Tommy Robinson kept asking him "what did I say that was racist?" and I was like "what *did* he say that was racist?". It was still a while before I switched sides but even then I was starting to question.

I found it really silly that he was just evading the question

To be honest I still get that feeling when I see the way some people on our side argue. Like I'll say "libtard" amongst ourselves as a joke but irl that's a pretty shitty way to talk to people.

Being proficient at debate is similar to finding and exploring the falsifiability of a scientific hypothesis. Staying ahead of the opponent by stating and countering arguments before they say them.

Absolutely. Another thing we're wanting to do eventually is set up mock debates on the Literature server where one of us plays devil's advocate.

Yeah I was part of the discussion last night (listening). I’m in.

IE debate team?

The first meet up I went to had a hot-seat style thing where one guy was being questioned by the rest of us as hostile journalists

that's actually pretty clever

@ophiuchus so do you think it would still be a good idea to send people to Red Ice, or would it be an issue that they see a debunking video and think "oh it's been debunked"

The one guy was so good you'd have thought he was actually an SPLC/antifa journo

I've yet to talk to someone who actually has a rational argument against a wall, I either get "Because" "What about boats/ladders"

does anyone genuinely believe that argument or do they know it's just a talking point?

@Jacob very much depends on the person

because I feel like it's pretty obvious that the wall would slow them down

Or the classis "Americans commit crimes too" like wtf I never knew that open the border

My point on 'You just get a ladder to get over the wall' is this:

“We can’t prevent 100% of crime so might as well not prevent any”

0/10 argument

Go back in time to east berlin and tell the people living there 'its just a wall bro'

Not that easy

Generally the real argument against the wall falls back on the craftier ilk who don’t care about the browning of America.