@olly-CA yeah see I get black pilled about it too. It's also just become a parody of itself. Like it's not the United states of America. It's merica

"All Men Are Created Equal" line really caused a lot of problems. And they obviously didn't mean it either.

I think they meme'd themselves into a corner

Asian Andy 2020!

@Perihelion - CA They meant “All White men”

They didn't say that and they didn't mean that either

Yes they did

Blacks weren’t even considered people by the founding fathers

Well it's super silly then

white men aren't all equal

I don't believe they meant it

If it ain’t legal, say no thanks! 😥🤦🏼‍♂️

Positing that all white men are equal opens up the ground that all black men are equal to whites too because it's self evident that some blacks are more competent than some whites.

It's a bad meme

Founders goofed

@Alex Kolchak - NY I'm glad he's willing to say something about whites but it's a shame we have so few of our own people out there championing our interests.

@Perihelion - CA I don’t think so personally

I just get really tired of the self-hate among Americans in this movement

@olly-CA Yeah, kind of maybe. I mean it is true that America did not, as a nation form as organically, as Germany, Britain or Russia.

But that's because it was founded under different circumstances as a far flung colony of another power on a seperate continent.

I think the founders used the ideas that were prevelant at the time to legitimize a new nation.

https://youtu.be/ZIFv8Wzy_qc of course CATO wants immigrants

At time of founding America was overwelmingly Anglo with some Germans/Dutch

Their point was that they were equal to the original British and were not lesser because of their birth in America and even though they were a colony were just as good

It had a national character

Founders clearly were just signaling and couldn’t find a better argument to support their particular sovereignty other than natural rights, that they were being violated/overruled by the King and Parliament.

Yes and I’m founding stock so I have claim to that

@DixieBoy76 - KY that's probably what they meant but not what they said

they goofed

They just used weird language back then fam

Everyone at the time understood it

No, they were trying to validate their rule with a plebiscite

But I’m founding stock and I have claim to that original America

it's a critical error that we're reaping now

I think we would’ve been heck’d sideways either way if you want me to be frank

Globalization really threw everything off

With everyone

It had unintended consequences all conspiracy theories aside

Look to anabaptist theology and it's connection to progressivism

puritan memes grew out of hand

Another point is that advocating monarchy will literally get you nowhere (not you personally @Perihelion - CA)

I see a lot of people in here advocate some kind of throwback thing