@Perihelion - CA I don’t think so personally

I just get really tired of the self-hate among Americans in this movement

@olly-CA Yeah, kind of maybe. I mean it is true that America did not, as a nation form as organically, as Germany, Britain or Russia.

But that's because it was founded under different circumstances as a far flung colony of another power on a seperate continent.

I think the founders used the ideas that were prevelant at the time to legitimize a new nation.

https://youtu.be/ZIFv8Wzy_qc of course CATO wants immigrants

At time of founding America was overwelmingly Anglo with some Germans/Dutch

Their point was that they were equal to the original British and were not lesser because of their birth in America and even though they were a colony were just as good

It had a national character

Founders clearly were just signaling and couldn’t find a better argument to support their particular sovereignty other than natural rights, that they were being violated/overruled by the King and Parliament.

Yes and I’m founding stock so I have claim to that

@DixieBoy76 - KY that's probably what they meant but not what they said

they goofed

They just used weird language back then fam

Everyone at the time understood it

No, they were trying to validate their rule with a plebiscite

But I’m founding stock and I have claim to that original America

it's a critical error that we're reaping now

I think we would’ve been heck’d sideways either way if you want me to be frank

Globalization really threw everything off

With everyone

It had unintended consequences all conspiracy theories aside

Look to anabaptist theology and it's connection to progressivism

puritan memes grew out of hand

Another point is that advocating monarchy will literally get you nowhere (not you personally @Perihelion - CA)

I see a lot of people in here advocate some kind of throwback thing

To some sort of despotism

strict monarchy is no good

bicameralism has potential

It’s unfeasible for one

There are like maybe 1,000 monarchists in the entire United States

corporate rule is literally bicameralism

you don't call it a monarchy

Eh. I think many things could be better than the ala carte communism that is democracy. Maybe not monarchy but its gotta be something

Advocating for such things really just self-gratification at that point

We are trying to create a realistic positive and *appealing* movement

@Andrew-KY We aren’t a democracy

call it a republic

I mean you can meme it as whatever but you need to be honest with yourself about what it is

A constitutional republic. Aye

a congress comprised of land holders with a unitary executive vested with broad powers

it's corporate bicameralism

call it a republic if that's the meme that works