@解放兔 the Bible itself is not clear but IMO the best analysis is by St. Augustine in Book 1 of City of God, goes something like this:

a) Suicide is essentially ALWAYS a sin, as taking one's one life is not only an act of unjustified murder but also subverts God's will by appropriating God's judgment.

b) Even if the would-be performer of the suicide is deserving of death, their preference of death over penitence is an act of cowardice. In other words, they would rather die than be held accountable for their sins.

c) Suicide as an alternative to homicide (St. Augustine refers specifically to Christians in besieged cities who choose suicide over torture and execution) is not permissible; in doing so one sins themselves while preventing their would-be killer from committing a mortal sin.

d) St. Augustine contradicts himself with respect to when it is appropriate to commit suicide to avoid dishonor, the distinction seems to be that it's permissible to commit suicide to prevent a sin but not to remedy one

In terms of the epidemic of pederasty in the church, I tend to agree with Archbishop Vigano that it has less to do with chastity and more to do with what he describes as homosexual networks within the Church leadership. According to him and others, the Vatican constantly looks the other way in admitting known homosexuals into seminaries and positions of power within the Church, and Pope Francis is at the very least overtly sympathetic to homosexuality. Even if you are not at all redpilled with respect to the relationship between homosexuality and pederasty, one can expect that priests graduating from seminaries wherein students literally sleep and party with their male peers and teachers would have a difficult time maintaining their chastity afterwards, and that the need for secrecy would push them to victimize those least likely to speak out.

Bottom line, whereas Pope Benedict was very baste in his hardline attitude towards homosexuals, Pope Francis' going soft on homosexuality gives the greenlight to dormant homosexuals - or active predators - that the Vatican is willing to look the other way. If the Church wants to shed its reputation as a breeding ground for pedophiles it needs to actually follow scripture instead of pandering to Brazilian trannies.

whoa baste and redpilled ^

wanting homos outta the church is baseline lol

https://youtu.be/YVdKq3AkfJ8

And according to cold war era conspiracy, communists allegedly attempted to infiltrate the catholic church specifically with communist and homosexual priests as to disrupt the entire church and bring it down.

Quick question wasn't their a pope that used to be a part of the Hitler youth?

His name was Mussolini

I'm serious

Wasn't their a pope that tried to cleanse the Catholic church of pedos and fags but it was later revealed he was a member of the Hitler youth ?

@NateSac43 you might be thinking of Pope Benedict XVI but in no way he actually supported the Hitler youth

https://abcnews.go.com/International/pope-benedict-dogged-nazi-past-achievements-jewish-relations/story?id=18469350

I read through it quickly but he entered it when it was mandatory so

in a way i believe that one doesn't need religion to gain morals

nature already have some punishments for certain immoral actions

incest for example

nature shall punish incest with an inbreed retard baby

homosexuality too

i dont think i need to explain that one

If a person does anything immoral they don't really give a fuck

And you could have an incestuous relationship without having kids

So thinking that religion's teachings are not necessary cause of some natural genetic events is dumb and naive

i said *some* punishments

Still naive

All I know about religion is that I'm so awesome that I must either be a God or Demi-God

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Any morals that aren't objectively held aren't real morals, and objectivity can't exist without God

all i care about in religion is if god says traps arent gay

all I care about is if God says immigrants suck

@DCS doubt that’s mentioned

@Jacob X

@Jacob Romans 9: "For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race,  the people of Israel. 

Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory,the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 

 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised."

I haven't heard of that one, thanks

This one is interesting

so from what i learned about creationists they basically believe "when you disobey god the world goes to shit."

and think that the fairy tales from the bible were real

can't believe someone did this

"when you disobey God the world goes to shit"

the godless West would like a word on the veracity of that statement