Yep.

So to me, thats similar in nature.

Though the EU is not as federalized as America, and you can't pass laws like the US can at a national level.

Which is a big weakness of the EU system.

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Yeah, not yet, at least. but they're working on that.

I think Europe should remain a continent, not a state.

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Oh?

What is brexit?

Brexit means Brexit

Brexit is Britain's exit to leave the European Union

Brexit is a dying right-wing xenophobic fantasy

An absolute waste of time, effort, and money

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"xenophobic fantasy" lol

"Right-wing", yes. Because Corbyn is very right wing

Corbyn is wishy-washy about it, flip flopping where convenient. Though his overall position has been fairly anti-EU

He's only wishy washy because of his party

He's always been a Eurosceptic

But he knows that the other members of his Party want to Remain

It's why he's "neutral" about it

He knows he has to say Remain but he can't get himself to say it

Corbyn was right to be Euroskeptic when he first got started, but the EU has moved away from those earlier positions

I think he missed that. Unlike the Eurozone countries, Britain can get the best of both worlds, but that would require the Tories to drop their 'reasons' for opposing any fiscal policy

Anytime Britain has an advantage, the Tories seem desperate to destroy it as fast as possible

Euroscepticism used to be mainly a left-wing trait because the EU has always been about making a profit, basically Capitalism. Socialists like George Calloway and Tony Benn have been critical about it for years but the Leave Campaign was led by Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson and so Brexit became interpreted as a Neoliberal dream instead of the Socialist hope that Britain could truly become Socialist without the EU's regulations

Btw, I'm not a Socialist

as things stand now in Britain, leaving the EU is going to be a huge hit to british workers because the tories, if they stay in power, are committted to the very policies that dropped workers' share of Gross income there

the brexit campaign is mostly abotu getting britain away from those pro-labor policies that are clearly evident in many EU countries, along with those really slimey tax and reporting issues, and the product standards

True but that's Democracy and we voted them in. Staying in the EU just because you don't like the Government is a ludicrous argument

I'm not a brit, so i'm watching from the outside, but i follow it. I dont think the people voted for any specific Brexit, they voted for an abstract idea

With a published Brexit deal . I think it another ref would be fair because what was sold and what was delivered as very different

For example, the main brexit personalities were clearly either dead wrong or lying about the trade pictur post brexit

that is uncontestable. to see average brits talk about 'falling back on wto rules' makes me cross myself and im not a believer

Maybe so but could another Referendum be a democratically treasonous act towards 17.4 million people who voted to leave? Even the marginal remainers just want to get Brexit done

I dunno man, it's a tough question but I think things change dramatically when you actually have a document on the table

general election might be enough

If what Boris 'negotiated' last month was put in front of the British people 2 years ago, I doubt things would have gone that way or been even close

https://www.thearticle.com/trump-boris-and-the-nhs-the-next-48-hours-could-decide-the-election