Message from @Platinum Spark

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2019-10-07 18:05:17 UTC  

They were staunch defenders of the aristocracy in many cases

2019-10-07 18:05:26 UTC  

Yeah; and they were largely richer than the aristocracy

2019-10-07 18:05:42 UTC  

But they didn't have power or prestige

2019-10-07 18:05:52 UTC  

Because they controlled like, shipping and commercial enterprises, rather than the agriculture that used to make money 200 years prior

2019-10-07 18:06:02 UTC  

Then when things erupted into revolutionary violence, why did the vast majority of merchants and business owners support the establishment of the democratic republic? @Platinum Spark

2019-10-07 18:06:09 UTC  

Anyone interested in getting into it, check out Revolutions by Mike Duncan

2019-10-07 18:06:32 UTC  

@fuck12moredeadcops when violence first erupted? No

2019-10-07 18:06:39 UTC  

They did not

2019-10-07 18:07:22 UTC  

The first violence was grain riots

2019-10-07 18:07:24 UTC  

But they didn't resist things like the National Constituent Assembly abolishing what was left of feudalism in the country

2019-10-07 18:07:24 UTC  

GG @fuck12moredeadcops, you just advanced to level 4!

2019-10-07 18:07:29 UTC  

Known as the day of the tiles

2019-10-07 18:07:39 UTC  

That was way way way later you’re talking about

2019-10-07 18:08:00 UTC  

You’ve got to go back at least to the calling of the Estates General

2019-10-07 18:08:22 UTC  

It’s like talking about the American Revolution and fast forwarding to writing the constitution

2019-10-07 18:09:33 UTC  

It was before the Declaration of the Rights of Man or the drafting of the first constitution, it is much more like talking about the American Revolution and beginning with the Declaration of Independence.

2019-10-07 18:09:49 UTC  

No not at all

2019-10-07 18:10:08 UTC  

You’re missing the entire setup

2019-10-07 18:10:13 UTC  

And the start of the violence

2019-10-07 18:10:49 UTC  

Why does the set-up and beginning of violence matter if I'm trying to illustrate that the bourgeois (in the Marxist sense) classes did not resist the abolition of feudalism?

2019-10-07 18:12:04 UTC  

Because the bourgeoise DID resist the abolition of feudalism

2019-10-07 18:12:05 UTC  

People wanted food, govt inefficient, people angry about taxes, bourgeois are lumpt with 3rd estate, 3rd estate tennis court, afterwards violence and protests

2019-10-07 18:12:12 UTC  

You’re just skipping the part when they did

2019-10-07 18:12:26 UTC  

Bourgeoise is synonymous with 3rd estate

2019-10-07 18:12:43 UTC  

3rd estate was basically everyone not clergy or noble

2019-10-07 18:12:56 UTC  

Yes, the bourgeoise

2019-10-07 18:13:01 UTC  

Sure in the French Revolution, but I'm not talking about the 3rd Estate. I'm talking about the possessed non-noble classes of France

2019-10-07 18:13:08 UTC  

Bourgeoise as in burgher

2019-10-07 18:13:19 UTC  

There were farmers and other professions

2019-10-07 18:13:22 UTC  

That’s what the 3rd estate is

2019-10-07 18:13:27 UTC  

Yes, that’s the bourgeoise

2019-10-07 18:13:38 UTC  

burgher and workers are a bit effy

2019-10-07 18:13:44 UTC  

Every non-landed non-church individual

2019-10-07 18:13:55 UTC  

Is in the bourgeoise and the 3rd estate, which are the same thing

2019-10-07 18:14:01 UTC  

The vast, vast majority of people

2019-10-07 18:14:14 UTC  

fair enough

2019-10-07 18:14:33 UTC  

Er, they could even have land just not be enobled

2019-10-07 18:14:56 UTC  

Seriously listen to Mike Duncan’s Revolutions

2019-10-07 18:15:05 UTC  

I think the 3rd season is the French Revolution

2019-10-07 18:15:15 UTC  

He goes through all of this