It was before the Declaration of the Rights of Man or the drafting of the first constitution, it is much more like talking about the American Revolution and beginning with the Declaration of Independence.

No not at all

You’re missing the entire setup

And the start of the violence

Why does the set-up and beginning of violence matter if I'm trying to illustrate that the bourgeois (in the Marxist sense) classes did not resist the abolition of feudalism?

Because the bourgeoise DID resist the abolition of feudalism

People wanted food, govt inefficient, people angry about taxes, bourgeois are lumpt with 3rd estate, 3rd estate tennis court, afterwards violence and protests

You’re just skipping the part when they did

Bourgeoise is synonymous with 3rd estate

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3rd estate was basically everyone not clergy or noble

Yes, the bourgeoise

Sure in the French Revolution, but I'm not talking about the 3rd Estate. I'm talking about the possessed non-noble classes of France

Bourgeoise as in burgher

There were farmers and other professions

That’s what the 3rd estate is

Yes, that’s the bourgeoise

burgher and workers are a bit effy

Every non-landed non-church individual

Is in the bourgeoise and the 3rd estate, which are the same thing

The vast, vast majority of people

fair enough

Er, they could even have land just not be enobled

Seriously listen to Mike Duncan’s Revolutions

I think the 3rd season is the French Revolution

He goes through all of this

Sure, I'm not referring to every non-landed non-church individual, and it's inaccurate to refer to the 3rd Estate of consisting of only non-landed individuals. 51 members of the Estates General before the beginning of the revolution were non-noble land owners

When the people started marching on bastile; that was the start of the french revolution

No that was super late

As in violence and such

The day of the tiles was the start of violence

But what does any of this have to do with a rejection of the idea that the French Revolution involved a revolution against feudalism

?

Because you’re just looking at the outcome

The primary goals achieved were the abolition of feudalism, a shrinking of church authority, and a dissolution of the monarchy

The idea that the non feudal entities rose up against the feudal entities, and that the 2nd estate defended the feudal privileges while he 3rd estate fought against them, is just not in any way supported by the historical record

I didn't say that

But no one had those goals at the onset

You absolutely did

On day 1 that was not the goal

It was a language confusion because of how I use the word bourgeois