Message from @Platinum Spark
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It’s just the whole French Revolution was WAY more complex than you’re making it out to be
Sure
Really complex
You can become a class traitor with the expectation that you'll be rewarded
everyone wanted power
Is being a class traitor a problem?
The maintainence of the aristocracy- does trying to give more power to the king count as maintainence of the aristocracy?
Not necessarily
I think bourgeois class traitors like Engels are pretty neat
The merchants and business owners were not trying to destroy the aristocracy, they were trying to buy into it
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*new money*
They were staunch defenders of the aristocracy in many cases
Yeah; and they were largely richer than the aristocracy
But they didn't have power or prestige
Because they controlled like, shipping and commercial enterprises, rather than the agriculture that used to make money 200 years prior
Then when things erupted into revolutionary violence, why did the vast majority of merchants and business owners support the establishment of the democratic republic? @Platinum Spark
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@fuck12moredeadcops when violence first erupted? No
They did not
But they didn't resist things like the National Constituent Assembly abolishing what was left of feudalism in the country
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Known as the day of the tiles
That was way way way later you’re talking about
You’ve got to go back at least to the calling of the Estates General
It’s like talking about the American Revolution and fast forwarding to writing the constitution
It was before the Declaration of the Rights of Man or the drafting of the first constitution, it is much more like talking about the American Revolution and beginning with the Declaration of Independence.
No not at all
You’re missing the entire setup
And the start of the violence
Why does the set-up and beginning of violence matter if I'm trying to illustrate that the bourgeois (in the Marxist sense) classes did not resist the abolition of feudalism?
Because the bourgeoise DID resist the abolition of feudalism
People wanted food, govt inefficient, people angry about taxes, bourgeois are lumpt with 3rd estate, 3rd estate tennis court, afterwards violence and protests
You’re just skipping the part when they did
Bourgeoise is synonymous with 3rd estate
3rd estate was basically everyone not clergy or noble
Yes, the bourgeoise
Sure in the French Revolution, but I'm not talking about the 3rd Estate. I'm talking about the possessed non-noble classes of France
Bourgeoise as in burgher