The US Economy is, largely, zero sum.

The World Economy is... mostly not?

existing economys that rely on renewible resources extraction rates are zerosum, if you find a new source of resources and have the ability to harvest it on your own dollor for a profit thats when its more than zero sum

Sure, but I can't remember a time when it's been zero sum in the modern age

Well, what I'm getting at is, if we've got no borders, if we just let anyone in - a deal that will likely only be one way

there's always been a new scientifc discovery

but you have to have a truly bombing potental for that or a dying population for immigration to be helpful to that

or a new business, etc

america is actually becoming more zero sum as time goes on

It essentially lets other nations raid our resources and send them home.

no borders means you aren't a country

Basically, yes.

But it's what's being legitimately argued for

I know

because more things are being owned, less things are being found in america

and I think it's wrong

I think anyone here thinks it's wrong.

when more is owned and less is found you find a plataeu in your economy

yeah but the debate isn't people here

the debate is, how can anyone think, in their right mind, that it's a sane idea

As I outlined, it's redistribution of wealth.

Basically, I propose that the socialists who are pushing for an elimination of borders view the United States as a whole as the bourgeoisie class

well 34K/year is the 1% worldwide

Exactly.

And equality can't be achieved while a 1% group exists unchecked.

It's absolutely mental, but these ARE commies we're talking about...

i don't think socialist really realize how poor the world is.

I think that's fair, as well.

if they did, they would realize that not even all the wealth of the US could raise the world even .1% higher on the economic ladder

it would mean that those same socialist would need to become mountains poorer than the poorest person in the US, as dictated by their ideology.

along with everyone else

It's as if they imagine a nation as an inflatable pool, and the economy as the water in that pool. If they remove the 'borders' of the pool, the water should fill up the space around it, right?

no borders + socialism = everyone made worse off, or no change.

Except it all gets lost in the grass.

the problem with socialism is that it is designed to block economic progress.

because being well off is viewed as a problem

unless everyone is as well off as you

unchecked captalistic hierarchies are a bad thing

unchecked socialism is a bad thing

the answer is somewhere in the middle

Circular hierarchies are best hierarchies.