Message from @LotheronPrime
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yeah but the debate isn't people here
the debate is, how can anyone think, in their right mind, that it's a sane idea
As I outlined, it's redistribution of wealth.
Basically, I propose that the socialists who are pushing for an elimination of borders view the United States as a whole as the bourgeoisie class
well 34K/year is the 1% worldwide
Exactly.
And equality can't be achieved while a 1% group exists unchecked.
It's absolutely mental, but these ARE commies we're talking about...
i don't think socialist really realize how poor the world is.
I think that's fair, as well.
if they did, they would realize that not even all the wealth of the US could raise the world even .1% higher on the economic ladder
it would mean that those same socialist would need to become mountains poorer than the poorest person in the US, as dictated by their ideology.
along with everyone else
It's as if they imagine a nation as an inflatable pool, and the economy as the water in that pool. If they remove the 'borders' of the pool, the water should fill up the space around it, right?
no borders + socialism = everyone made worse off, or no change.
Except it all gets lost in the grass.
the problem with socialism is that it is designed to block economic progress.
because being well off is viewed as a problem
unless everyone is as well off as you
unchecked captalistic hierarchies are a bad thing
the answer is somewhere in the middle
Circular hierarchies are best hierarchies.
Granade problem with socialism is that ita against human nature
It would only work in truly altruistic society
I think it works just fine in a extremely small populations too.
Basically anything under say 200 people.
Depends
It can
Yeah it can still go horribly wrong too.
It also works in certain internet communities
I'm just saying the only way it can work is small communities.
For example early subtitle maker community was pretty socialist
Hacker spaces are pretty socialist too.
Its because those ppl have another then material motivation that it works
other than material motivation?
I dont think lack of monetary motivation makes something socialist. Value judgements extend beyond fiat currency
The subtitle community had a government that took control of the means of production?
even if we use Marx's endpoint as our metric for socialism
which is to say, even if we're attempting to be the most charitable, and setting the goalpost closest to the situation being described
I was referencing the mentality of from each according to their ability to each according to their need. In hacker spaces it's a social contract that you help those who don't know.