Elimination of borders serves two different ideologies, neither of which I agree with. Corporatists would be for the elimination of borders for the sake of easier trade and access to cheaper workforce. The whole reason Socialists are for eliminating borders is redistribution of wealth. The United States is wealthy, and one cannot simply sit on their wealth, it has to be shared. Redistributed. Anyone who wants the wealth of the United States should be able to take it. At least, that's what I get from it.

take it, no.. .earn it, hell yes

I disagree on that, too.

I mean

I'm not opposed to immigration

you disagree with being able to earn a piece of the pie?

but I don't think the US needs to go about headhunting

I think we need more pies.

there are always more pies

its not a zero sum game

just because someone becomes successful doesnt mean someone else has to become unsuccessful

It's a zero sum game packed within a non-zero sum game

The US Economy is, largely, zero sum.

The World Economy is... mostly not?

existing economys that rely on renewible resources extraction rates are zerosum, if you find a new source of resources and have the ability to harvest it on your own dollor for a profit thats when its more than zero sum

Sure, but I can't remember a time when it's been zero sum in the modern age

Well, what I'm getting at is, if we've got no borders, if we just let anyone in - a deal that will likely only be one way

there's always been a new scientifc discovery

but you have to have a truly bombing potental for that or a dying population for immigration to be helpful to that

or a new business, etc

america is actually becoming more zero sum as time goes on

It essentially lets other nations raid our resources and send them home.

no borders means you aren't a country

Basically, yes.

But it's what's being legitimately argued for

I know

because more things are being owned, less things are being found in america

and I think it's wrong

I think anyone here thinks it's wrong.

when more is owned and less is found you find a plataeu in your economy

yeah but the debate isn't people here

the debate is, how can anyone think, in their right mind, that it's a sane idea

As I outlined, it's redistribution of wealth.

Basically, I propose that the socialists who are pushing for an elimination of borders view the United States as a whole as the bourgeoisie class

well 34K/year is the 1% worldwide

Exactly.

And equality can't be achieved while a 1% group exists unchecked.

It's absolutely mental, but these ARE commies we're talking about...

i don't think socialist really realize how poor the world is.

I think that's fair, as well.

if they did, they would realize that not even all the wealth of the US could raise the world even .1% higher on the economic ladder