I think anyone here thinks it's wrong.

when more is owned and less is found you find a plataeu in your economy

yeah but the debate isn't people here

the debate is, how can anyone think, in their right mind, that it's a sane idea

As I outlined, it's redistribution of wealth.

Basically, I propose that the socialists who are pushing for an elimination of borders view the United States as a whole as the bourgeoisie class

well 34K/year is the 1% worldwide

Exactly.

And equality can't be achieved while a 1% group exists unchecked.

It's absolutely mental, but these ARE commies we're talking about...

i don't think socialist really realize how poor the world is.

I think that's fair, as well.

if they did, they would realize that not even all the wealth of the US could raise the world even .1% higher on the economic ladder

it would mean that those same socialist would need to become mountains poorer than the poorest person in the US, as dictated by their ideology.

along with everyone else

It's as if they imagine a nation as an inflatable pool, and the economy as the water in that pool. If they remove the 'borders' of the pool, the water should fill up the space around it, right?

no borders + socialism = everyone made worse off, or no change.

Except it all gets lost in the grass.

the problem with socialism is that it is designed to block economic progress.

because being well off is viewed as a problem

unless everyone is as well off as you

unchecked captalistic hierarchies are a bad thing

unchecked socialism is a bad thing

the answer is somewhere in the middle

Circular hierarchies are best hierarchies.

Granade problem with socialism is that ita against human nature

It would only work in truly altruistic society

I think it works just fine in a extremely small populations too.

Basically anything under say 200 people.

Depends

It can

Yeah it can still go horribly wrong too.

It also works in certain internet communities

I'm just saying the only way it can work is small communities.

For example early subtitle maker community was pretty socialist

Hacker spaces are pretty socialist too.

Its because those ppl have another then material motivation that it works

other than material motivation?

I dont think lack of monetary motivation makes something socialist. Value judgements extend beyond fiat currency

The subtitle community had a government that took control of the means of production?

even if we use Marx's endpoint as our metric for socialism