I'm gonna go afk for 15

I don't love.

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Okay, here's a debate based on Tim's video yesterday. Should someone be required to have their penis/testicles or ovaries/uterus removed in order to change their IDs? I'm actually torn on this. Five years ago I would have said no, but seeing where things have gone I am now edging to yes. Abuse on the left and trolling on the right makes self-identification untenable which is sad but no longer surprising.

An opinion on the trans legislation issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXRRIG8o3wg

@DrYuriMom here's a middle ground, what value is that on an ID?

Get sex off ID entirely?

Oh Blair

Depends, if there is a medial reason, then perhaps it should refer to biological sex, or add something like T(m).

but if not, and its just mainly a looks thing, than remove it

How about anatomical?

I'm listening to Blair but the issue to me is an attempt to define as sex assigned as birth.

what is the point if it is not about medical and simply for looks to verify the id belongs to the person

seriously, why is it on there?

Because it's a quick way to define how someone should look

why is that needed?

Blair is ignoring passports which are not state by state

lets take, for example, a drag king/queen who is fine with their sex.

so why is this quick reference needed when it doesn't really help?

and apparently causes problems

In my opinion, if having your biological sex recognized on legal documents is simply too much for you to handle, then you need to go to therapy.
Gender dysphoria cannot be relieve simply by denying objective reality, you have to accept what reality is and recognize it does not control your existence to really be at peace.
So if seeing your sex on a passport "triggers" you, that's not an issue with the US government, that's an issue with your inability to cope.

But what if personal safety? Being outed a trans when one blends just fine can be a real safety issue. Many trans look perfectly female even on medical exam. But being outed with documents can result in rather bad situations.

You're saying someone is going to physically assault you for being trans?

Not anyone in specific, but just a general portion of the population would assault you if they found out you were trans?

as i said, if it has no real useful purpose because it doesn't necessarily helpful even when dealing with people without dysphoria (for example, an effeminate looking guy that is clean shaven with long hair), then why have it?

the times change. A lot of hair metal rockers could have passed for chicks today. Blue used to be a female color and Pink a male color. What "looks" like male or female changes and plenty of people don't match it. Hell, what is male or female based on looks changes from culture to culture.

so, if it doesn't have a medical use, why have it?

People need to stop just accepting tradition as fact and question WHY was tradition. You can't throw it out without knowing why it was there in the first place (the problem with the left constantly throwing shit out because patriarchy or sexism/racism/ what have you), but keeping it just because it's the standard practice isn't useful either (the problem the right typically has. or had anyway).

identify the use, and determine if its still a valid or useful solution. Or at least come up with an alternative that accounts for this use.

I would debate that, but I respect your position.

debate what? or which part i should say?

The dismissal of tradition as a justification by itself. The practice of a tradition over time and the values that society instills within it can become a justification for its continuation on its own merits. That's not to say a sufficient reason to get rid of it can't exist, but it does mean that the reason should be a bit heftier than "It's Current Year".

where did i say it is good just to throw out tradition because its tradition? pretty sure i said thats the problem the left has.

i said don't just accept it as good or right just because it is tradition

slavery was a tradition

That is a good point, I've never known the legal recognition of gender to serve any real purpose... But I could be wrong on that.

If it doesn't really serve any use, then I'd be for eliminating that factor from the legal system altogether.

The (historic) reason is conscription/draft

you got documentation for that? i mean, seems valid and i'd believe it

but if that is the case, then the easy solution is to replace it with something like draft eligible or something.

Yep.